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Almost 80 MPs have called for Starmer to Resign. Streeting making his move before Burnham has a chance to get in. Leadership election between Starmer, Streeting & Rayner, & a few MPs looking to make a name. Official Tue 12th?

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Yesterday 21:44

Link to spreadsheet of Labour MPS calling for resignation - https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2053925699824574889

Streeting has to make his move now, Starmer will never be this weak and he has the chance to go now.

Burnham might be more likely to win, but he is not in, and where exactly is a safe seat by election they could parachute him in for? (nowhere)

So - Streeting will never have a better chance of being PM, he pulls the trigger NOW or he never pulls it at all.

I did say on Thursday that I thought it would be Friday or Monday.... Tuesday is a pretty good guess.

This is a quiet Bat People moment... That Speech... not worth remembering...

Guido Fawkes (@GuidoFawkes) on X

Matt Bishop according to Sam Coates. 75. https://t.co/qC4H6KwkEZ

https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2053925699824574889

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FinchiePink · Today 15:54

StandFirm · Today 15:52

No. Farage won't be PM unless there's a general election and even then it's not in the bag. And why on Earth would Labour be stupid enough to call one? It doesn't matter who is leader. Look at the Tories. How many different PMs did we have to get through before the last GE?

I don't think Farage will ever go to No. 10.

The job is too much of a tie and would interfere with his gifting and holidays.

I'd guess he'd swap in another leader long before there's any risk of real responsibility.

Thefastandthecurious5 · Today 15:58

So far, 90 MPs have called on KS to resign and 103 MPs have signed a letter saying they don’t think he should resign. There are 403 Labour MPs, so just under half have made their views known.

Thefastandthecurious5 · Today 15:58

FinchiePink · Today 15:54

I don't think Farage will ever go to No. 10.

The job is too much of a tie and would interfere with his gifting and holidays.

I'd guess he'd swap in another leader long before there's any risk of real responsibility.

Agreed.

StandFirm · Today 15:59

Also I think OP confuses legitimacy with popularity. A government can be legitimate AND unpopular. The two notions are completely separate. If a government is unpopular for the rest of its term, it can be changed at the next GE. But a country needs stability and not voting via social media.

StandFirm · Today 16:02

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Yesterday 22:21

Labour stopped giving a fuck about working people, women, Great Britain, about ten years ago. They made their bed, they can lie in it.

I just wish we didn't have to lay in their bed mess with them

Well I can tell you Reform does not give a fuck about women either. Get your handmaid wings ready, ladies.

Thefastandthecurious5 · Today 16:03

StandFirm · Today 15:59

Also I think OP confuses legitimacy with popularity. A government can be legitimate AND unpopular. The two notions are completely separate. If a government is unpopular for the rest of its term, it can be changed at the next GE. But a country needs stability and not voting via social media.

Exactly! No government is massively popular.

I can only think of one - Blair’s first government in 1997 - that was fairly popular. They were hugely helped by the healthy economy, his brilliantly effective comms team and his charisma. We’ve never had a similar situation since, and probably won’t again.

EasternStandard · Today 16:03

StandFirm · Today 15:59

Also I think OP confuses legitimacy with popularity. A government can be legitimate AND unpopular. The two notions are completely separate. If a government is unpopular for the rest of its term, it can be changed at the next GE. But a country needs stability and not voting via social media.

It’s not via social media it’s the votes at local elections and Wales and Scotland.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 16:04

Be careful what you wish for springs to mind.

southerngirl10 · Today 16:04

The way people talk about KS you'd think he squeaky clean. Saville befriended him as a child and why has there been no mention of the Starmer/Ukranian rentboy trial that's been going on?

StandFirm · Today 16:05

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Yesterday 22:34

The only other thing on the table - is Labour, or Labour + Greens.... and I'd not want to live in that country. Not to mention the fact we would not even have a country, what with leaving NATO and having literally no borders

NATO going down the drain is the work of NF's good mate, The Donald. Incidentally, it's also Russia's wet dream coming true.
How would Reform EVER help with our standing in the world besides making us 100% dependent on the US? Sovereignty my arse.

ByGraptharsHammer · Today 16:05

The UK is Halisham’s “electoral dictatorship”. Every opposition moans about it. Once they win, they stop moaning because they love the power it gives. Doesn’t matter the politics. If Reform won, they won’t change it either.

Thefastandthecurious5 · Today 16:06

southerngirl10 · Today 16:04

The way people talk about KS you'd think he squeaky clean. Saville befriended him as a child and why has there been no mention of the Starmer/Ukranian rentboy trial that's been going on?

What are you on about?

StandFirm · Today 16:07

EasternStandard · Today 16:03

It’s not via social media it’s the votes at local elections and Wales and Scotland.

Local elections are not a GE. Local elections do not give opposition parties any mandate to govern the country.
So no, you will have to wait 3 years. Why the rush eh? If Reform are doing so well, voters will be there for them in '29.

ByGraptharsHammer · Today 16:07

Delete

TemperanceWest · Today 16:15

southerngirl10 · Today 16:04

The way people talk about KS you'd think he squeaky clean. Saville befriended him as a child and why has there been no mention of the Starmer/Ukranian rentboy trial that's been going on?

👆
Right wing disinformation 🙄

EasternStandard · Today 16:16

StandFirm · Today 16:07

Local elections are not a GE. Local elections do not give opposition parties any mandate to govern the country.
So no, you will have to wait 3 years. Why the rush eh? If Reform are doing so well, voters will be there for them in '29.

Of course not but it does indicate the swings and public mood and whether Starmer can see off Reform at the next GE. That seems to be what Labour are looking at, some of them anyway.

They know he comes up a lot as a reason for loss of votes.

Just read the rest of your post, it’s more a problem for Labour than anyone.

TemperanceWest · Today 16:18

southerngirl10 · Today 16:04

The way people talk about KS you'd think he squeaky clean. Saville befriended him as a child and why has there been no mention of the Starmer/Ukranian rentboy trial that's been going on?

The press has been reporting on the trial of the arsonists every day 🙄

Sir Keir Starmer arson trial hears Ukrainian 'did a bad job' when he set fire to PM's old car | UK News | Sky News https://share.google/QCVlvC3M2lRcM8Mei

Boomer55 · Today 16:20

They’ve all backed off. On we go. 🤷‍♀️

StandFirm · Today 16:20

EasternStandard · Today 16:16

Of course not but it does indicate the swings and public mood and whether Starmer can see off Reform at the next GE. That seems to be what Labour are looking at, some of them anyway.

They know he comes up a lot as a reason for loss of votes.

Just read the rest of your post, it’s more a problem for Labour than anyone.

Edited

And that's absolutely no reason to call for a GE before its due time.

EasternStandard · Today 16:22

StandFirm · Today 16:20

And that's absolutely no reason to call for a GE before its due time.

My post to you was on local elections which have just happened, as an indicator over SM.

A GE isn’t in focus, it’s a leadership question for Starmer and Labour.

StandFirm · Today 16:25

EasternStandard · Today 16:22

My post to you was on local elections which have just happened, as an indicator over SM.

A GE isn’t in focus, it’s a leadership question for Starmer and Labour.

Oh I see - you took my reference to SM literally. To clarify, I was being facetious here. My frustration with OP was that it is important to make a difference between the government's mandate - which is still valid today- and its popularity. It's not like we have to bow to whatever social media trends are telling us about a party. Yes, local elections have sent a message of dissatisfaction, as well as the results in Scotland and Wales, but it's no reason to call for a GE - and in my view, a leadership contest would be very unproductive.

EasternStandard · Today 16:35

StandFirm · Today 16:25

Oh I see - you took my reference to SM literally. To clarify, I was being facetious here. My frustration with OP was that it is important to make a difference between the government's mandate - which is still valid today- and its popularity. It's not like we have to bow to whatever social media trends are telling us about a party. Yes, local elections have sent a message of dissatisfaction, as well as the results in Scotland and Wales, but it's no reason to call for a GE - and in my view, a leadership contest would be very unproductive.

I think it’s a classic stick or twist situation, knowing he’s an issue for voters. There’s probably many examples of either being wrong or right (eg Biden stick, Johnson twist).

Thefastandthecurious5 · Today 17:25

Thefastandthecurious5 · Today 15:58

So far, 90 MPs have called on KS to resign and 103 MPs have signed a letter saying they don’t think he should resign. There are 403 Labour MPs, so just under half have made their views known.

92 MPs have called on KS to resign.

Blahblahblahabla · Today 17:33

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Today 10:42

They have quote a clear piece of advice to dump Keir and move to the right however.

Yes but they can’t do that because there’s no one in labour who fits that

ByGraptharsHammer · Today 17:36

Honestly for this to work, Streeting needs 150 votes to be credible. These public figures are not enough. The dribbling in of “not Keir” is not enough. The Labour Party has had very bitter leadership elections in the past, but they weren’t done by this Tory lite style correspondence campaign. Labour should recognize the danger of it. It did for Boris Johnson in a way that probably poisoned the job for the next two incumbents (Truss just useless in her own right of course). It contributed to defeat. Keir is not going to give this up on Wes Streeting’s timetable. He may decide a successor for himself, but that won’t be Wes, who would have undoubtedly wanted that reassurance after Cabinet today and didn’t get it.