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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

OP posts:
Plugg · 11/05/2026 16:20

PracticalPolicy · 11/05/2026 16:17

If "they" upped the UC rate a little? You mean the government?

Having read many benefit bashing threads on MN. I doubt "they" would increase UC.
Moreover the entry fee is what the market will stand.

The price is elastic. In economic terms it means they will reduce the price if it means significantly fewer people will go to the theme parks. Right now the price may seem high to you but enough people pay that price for the theme parks to maintain that level.

An example of an inelastic price is petrol. Does matter what it costs, people will pay it. Watch the pump prices stay high once the oil price drops as they all rake in the cash.

No, the Tower of London etc upped the £1 entry fee and reduced the £37 entrance fee for an adult. There is no way the ordinary working person can afford the price for 2 adults and 2 kids of over £100! Thats a staggering amount to anyone! Same family on benefits it’s £4.

Threeslothsontheshirt · 11/05/2026 16:21

Itchthescratch · 11/05/2026 15:10

You can have as much savings as you like and live in social housing. You don't need to claim UC to live there and can in fact be a millionaire taking advantage of cheap housing.

Yes this is true. If your financial circumstances change you still have a tenancy for life. The house is yours until you choose to give it up.

Plugg · 11/05/2026 16:22

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 16:18

I do support them. But i want to be present too as much as im able to.

You see that’s the issue. You shouldn’t be allowed to be ‘able to’ work 16 hours a week when others in work can’t.

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 16:22

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 16:18

I do support them. But i want to be present too as much as im able to.

Well I don’t want pay for you to be able to do that anymore. It’s not fair on those of us that work much longer hours to make sure that are children are provided for without having to rely on hand outs.

shuggles · 11/05/2026 16:23

@happybug1234 despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k

You are not a "middle income" family. That's considerably higher than the average household income.

Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid.

You're missing out some key points.

  1. Money you pay into a mortgage isn't money that just disappears. It's going into an asset that you will eventually own. Your extended family members do not own a house.
  2. Your house that you pay a mortgage on is likely a nicer place to live than social housing.
  3. You are most likely paying into a pension through your job. Your extended family members are not paying into a pension.
Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 16:24

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 16:22

Well I don’t want pay for you to be able to do that anymore. It’s not fair on those of us that work much longer hours to make sure that are children are provided for without having to rely on hand outs.

Its not going to change and ill work longer hours when theyre older.

UnhappyHobbit · 11/05/2026 16:25

StandingDeskDisco · 11/05/2026 14:53

Don't forget that if you have a mortgage you are buying an asset. In 20 or 30 years time you will be immensely better off that someone who rents for life.

Is this so? I don’t believe this anymore. Especially if all your equity is needed for any care homes.

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 16:25

Plugg · 11/05/2026 16:22

You see that’s the issue. You shouldn’t be allowed to be ‘able to’ work 16 hours a week when others in work can’t.

Well you are allowed. Until they reach 3. I think its fair

Threeslothsontheshirt · 11/05/2026 16:25

Monty36 · 11/05/2026 15:41

Why subletting of social housing is allowed I have no idea.
It is supposed to be for people who are in need. Not for people to make a profit out of.

Where is the named tenant living whilst subletting?

PracticalPolicy · 11/05/2026 16:26

Plugg · 11/05/2026 16:20

No, the Tower of London etc upped the £1 entry fee and reduced the £37 entrance fee for an adult. There is no way the ordinary working person can afford the price for 2 adults and 2 kids of over £100! Thats a staggering amount to anyone! Same family on benefits it’s £4.

Because if parents have a choice of £1 for the Tower of London and £2 for St Paul's Cathedral (only an example), parents will choose the Tower of London. So the UC price is also set by the market for UC entry fees.

PracticalPolicy · 11/05/2026 16:28

PracticalPolicy · 11/05/2026 16:26

Because if parents have a choice of £1 for the Tower of London and £2 for St Paul's Cathedral (only an example), parents will choose the Tower of London. So the UC price is also set by the market for UC entry fees.

To be honest if they get ten families in at £1 they will earn £100, but if they reduce the full price of £37 to £25 they won't get ten additional families going.

I promise you someone has done the pricing on this and worked out that can charge £37 and still turn a very healthy profit.

OneTealShaker · 11/05/2026 16:29

The out of control benefits system means that the paying public is sick of it. Asking for more and more and more and more free money all the time leads to only one thing. Dwindling support for welfare and eventual tightening so that even those who genuinely need it, won’t get it.

The entitled and lazy majority are causing an issue for the in need minority.

dizzydizzydizzy · 11/05/2026 16:29

Paganpentacle · 11/05/2026 16:18

How do you think people who don't get benefits cope? They dont get anything extra...

Even people on minimum wage get a pay rise every year.

Iamstardust · 11/05/2026 16:29

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 11/05/2026 16:17

so are mine which is why I work hard to support them

I agree, not to mention setting a good example & encouraging a work ethic.

Threeslothsontheshirt · 11/05/2026 16:29

Whyarepeople · 11/05/2026 16:08

There are a few things I think when I see posts like this:

If you are on £95k and consider yourself hard up you are doing something wrong.

You don't seem to understand the benefit and advantage you have by being able to pay off a mortgage.

Jealousy is such a childish emotion that makes people small and resentful.

Someone's done a very very good job of redirecting people's attention away from the billionaires who are actually bleeding the world dry, towards families going for a day out. That's quite an achievement but the fact that you have fallen for it makes you a total idiot.

Love this. Spot on.

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 16:30

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 16:24

Its not going to change and ill work longer hours when theyre older.

Edited

Hopefully it will change and they will force people to work longer hours. I worked 30 hours from mine being 9 months old (although with the extra unpaid hours that those of who are salaried are expected to do, it was more like full time.) It disgusts me that you expect others to subsidise you.

ListenToTheFacts · 11/05/2026 16:30

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/2203443/dwp-increases-benefits-husbands-2

Sorry if this has already been discussed as I've not had time to read through all the responses, but I saw this and could not believe my eyes. I am so fed up of this government.

DWP increases benefits for husbands with 2 or more wives - started in April

DWP increases benefits for husbands with 2 or more wives - started in April

EXCLUSIVE: The DWP has increased the payment for households in polygamous marriages.

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/2203443/dwp-increases-benefits-husbands-2

OonaStubbs · 11/05/2026 16:33

I think welfare in general will be wound down during the rest of this century. We can't keep going on the way we have been going, with work effectively being optional and people being paid to have children they aren't interesting in actually parenting.

WhereHasMyPlanetGone · 11/05/2026 16:33

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 16:12

Im not. My kids are more important.

And people who work full time’s children are less important?

domenica1 · 11/05/2026 16:33

We have a welfarist labour government that’s what is stopping them.
people will take advantage of the system until it’s no longer to their advantage to do so

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 16:34

WhereHasMyPlanetGone · 11/05/2026 16:33

And people who work full time’s children are less important?

Did i say that. No.

MyLimeGuide · 11/05/2026 16:34

sugarpiebunnyhunch · 11/05/2026 15:25

This! These threads are getting really old.

People don't want to quit and claim though because they have work ethic and the desire to give something back as opposed to 'just existing' and leeching. The OP has valid points, its not fair.

Plugg · 11/05/2026 16:35

PracticalPolicy · 11/05/2026 16:28

To be honest if they get ten families in at £1 they will earn £100, but if they reduce the full price of £37 to £25 they won't get ten additional families going.

I promise you someone has done the pricing on this and worked out that can charge £37 and still turn a very healthy profit.

It’s fine. I’ll leave it to tourists and those on UC and accept that it’s unaffordable for me, a working person.

It has been voiced that maybe we should start charging non-UK citizens to visit our museums that are currently free as a way of subsidising the scheme. Maybe the UK citizens could get a discount into the Tower of London etc though.

Plugg · 11/05/2026 16:37

MyLimeGuide · 11/05/2026 16:34

People don't want to quit and claim though because they have work ethic and the desire to give something back as opposed to 'just existing' and leeching. The OP has valid points, its not fair.

Those that don’t want to quit and live off benefits have pride and a willingness to give back to society. Those that choose to work 16 hours only are shameless, IMO.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 11/05/2026 16:37

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 16:34

Did i say that. No.

You implied it. You are happy to have other people go out to work to pay for you not to as your children are too important for that.

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