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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

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Anyahyacinth · 11/05/2026 15:38

How much do you think tent cities cost? To police? The resulting crime?

How much would a fractured society cost? The suicides? Would we stop investigating those?

Meanwhile Starbucks etc..pays no tax..infact we pay them a credit ...people on benefits are a low and crass target

Plugg · 11/05/2026 15:39

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:36

Another benefit bashing thread...

People that work to pay for those benefits are tired of it. They want the money focused on improving public services for everyone too. Currently it feels like all the extra tax we are paying is funnelled purely into the black hole of rising welfare.

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 15:39

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 15:36

Yes they should access them on there means of being able to pay for the entry fee… just like everyone else is.

Right. So you'd prefer people on limited incomes to be excluded then. Got it. How do you feel about being ineligible for concessions for pensioners?

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:40

Plugg · 11/05/2026 15:39

People that work to pay for those benefits are tired of it. They want the money focused on improving public services for everyone too. Currently it feels like all the extra tax we are paying is funnelled purely into the black hole of rising welfare.

I work and on benefits. They arent that great. Yes i get a good amount for the kids. But thats for the kids.

Monty36 · 11/05/2026 15:41

MaturingCheeseball · 11/05/2026 15:28

I think a lot of people own properties overseas. Also subletting social housing. Dn rented a Peabody Trust flat in Shoreditch; the landlord collected the rent in cash and his name was on some of the bills.

Why subletting of social housing is allowed I have no idea.
It is supposed to be for people who are in need. Not for people to make a profit out of.

Plugg · 11/05/2026 15:41

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:40

I work and on benefits. They arent that great. Yes i get a good amount for the kids. But thats for the kids.

Edited

They are rising though, so we are paying more and more to them. Theres no investment in schools anymore. Theres no investment in the NHS. Services are getting worse not better

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 15:42

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:40

I work and on benefits. They arent that great. Yes i get a good amount for the kids. But thats for the kids.

Edited

Next you'll be told to work more hours or get a better paid job.

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:43

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 15:42

Next you'll be told to work more hours or get a better paid job.

Yep. Its ridiclous. Ill be doing 16hrs when able to in september. Want to enjoy my kids whilst little.

Catlover1705 · 11/05/2026 15:43

I've commented on these types of threads before as I worked in welfare for over 40 years. I could write a book on how flawed the system is and how it's taken advantage of by many.

QuestionableMouse · 11/05/2026 15:44

I get £800 a month UC. It's hardly generous.

But hey it's Monday so let's have another benefits bashing thread. 🙃🙃

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:44

Plugg · 11/05/2026 15:41

They are rising though, so we are paying more and more to them. Theres no investment in schools anymore. Theres no investment in the NHS. Services are getting worse not better

Not by much..

Anyahyacinth · 11/05/2026 15:44

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

Your whole argument fails on "generous"

"UK state benefits are among the least generous in the developed world for working-age adults and retirees, particularly when compared to other high-income European nations.

The UK ranks near the bottom of OECD countries for unemployment replacement rates, while also paying one of the lowest state pensions in the West.

International Benefit Comparison Breakdown:Unemployment Support: The UK offers one of the lowest income replacement rates in the developed world.

While Nordic and Benelux countries (like Denmark and the Netherlands) replace a large percentage of a worker's previous wage, the UK relies on a flat, means-tested system (Universal Credit) that leaves the initial replacement rate near the bottom of the OECD.

Retirement Pensions: The maximum UK State Pension is relatively low compared to the cost of living. Research indicates the UK basic payout is worth significantly less as a percentage of average earnings than in countries like France or Germany.

Family and Housing Benefits: The UK does stand out in a few targeted areas. The UK's gross spending on housing benefits and family/childcare support is notably high as a percentage of GDP, though this is frequently offset by exceptionally high private rental costs and high out-of-pocket childcare expenses for parents.

Asylum Seekers: Support for asylum seekers is also distinctly lower than in comparable European nations. While countries like France and Sweden offer higher daily or monthly allowances and fewer purchasing restrictions, the UK provides a lower flat rate per week

Unlike many Western and Nordic European states where benefits act as an earnings-related safety net (scaling payments to your previous tax contributions), the UK system is highly means-tested. It is heavily focused on flat-rate basic allowances for those who are unemployed, which has eroded the real-term value of benefits over the last decade against inflation and surging living costs."

THIS is the reality

Itchthescratch · 11/05/2026 15:44

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:43

Yep. Its ridiclous. Ill be doing 16hrs when able to in september. Want to enjoy my kids whilst little.

Edited

I'm sure the rest of us aren't as keen as you to enjoy our kids.

angelos02 · 11/05/2026 15:44

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:43

Yep. Its ridiclous. Ill be doing 16hrs when able to in september. Want to enjoy my kids whilst little.

Edited

Doesn't everyone?

Makemydaypunk · 11/05/2026 15:45

ChickenBananaBanana · 11/05/2026 15:24

As ever: quit and claim then 🤷🏻‍♀️

She can’t quit and claim, if she was made redundant or lost her job then I presume she could, you can’t intentionally make yourself jobless and then get UC unless there have been changes to eligibility that I’m unaware of.

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:45

angelos02 · 11/05/2026 15:44

Doesn't everyone?

Ive got the chance to so im going to.

Purpleturtle45 · 11/05/2026 15:45

It's not a popular opinion on here but I agree. People who work should be better off than people who don't, otherwise why bother?

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:46

Purpleturtle45 · 11/05/2026 15:45

It's not a popular opinion on here but I agree. People who work should be better off than people who don't, otherwise why bother?

People on benefits arent better off tho

StandingDeskDisco · 11/05/2026 15:46

Plugg · 11/05/2026 15:19

We have occupational (workplace) pensions that are either defined contribution or defined benefit, as well as a state pension. In most of Europe (pretty much all countries) the individual and their workplace pay the equivalent of the occupational pension contributions to the state instead.

so whereas we have occupational pensions and state pensions, they have a state pension that combines both. If you want to compare our pensions to the rest of Europe you need to add in occupational pensions to state pensions, and when you do, the UK sits bang in the middle of pension generosity. There is absolutely nothing to complain about when it comes to the value of the UK ‘state pension’.

Interesting.
So there is no longer any justification for the triple lock?

MajorLanceYouDontWantMeNoMoreNsoul · 11/05/2026 15:48

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 15:10

Surely those £1 tickets to attractions aren't funded by the government?

FFS it's private companies offering not subsidised by the govt and dare say there will be t&c attached.
Nothing like a bit of click bait fury🖕

MaturingCheeseball · 11/05/2026 15:48

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 15:39

Right. So you'd prefer people on limited incomes to be excluded then. Got it. How do you feel about being ineligible for concessions for pensioners?

But MANY people are on limited incomes - and they have to pay because they go to work . This is all sending a bad message.

It’s not the same as subsidised school trips, which ensures a child is not excluded.

Re pensioner discounts - they are usually to get punters into something at a less busy time. And they are becoming rarer as there are too many pensioners now! The pil made out like bandits but I can see that by the time I retire I’ll probably have to pay extra!

cobrakaieaglefang · 11/05/2026 15:51

Clearly far more go to attractions regardless of cost for the attractions to be able to afford to offer concessions. Simple answer to all those complaining is to boycott. The reality is every holiday period these places are heaving!
I wished when my kids were little that there were concessions, the only ones were student and pensioner. I wanted to give them educational opportunities the same as other kids. We could afford to get there or get in, not both!
Penalise employers paying wages so low their employees have to claim. A premium ( punitive) tax on employers OR pay properly on companies over a certain size/ profit making, they would soon sort it, business viability would become clear.
Mass council housing build, so anyone needing it and are eligible ( looking at criteria too so its not a race to the bottom) and not paying private landlords mortgages.

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 15:52

MajorLanceYouDontWantMeNoMoreNsoul · 11/05/2026 15:48

FFS it's private companies offering not subsidised by the govt and dare say there will be t&c attached.
Nothing like a bit of click bait fury🖕

Exactly, but apparently poor people should be excluded. 🙄

QuestionableMouse · 11/05/2026 15:54

MaturingCheeseball · 11/05/2026 15:48

But MANY people are on limited incomes - and they have to pay because they go to work . This is all sending a bad message.

It’s not the same as subsidised school trips, which ensures a child is not excluded.

Re pensioner discounts - they are usually to get punters into something at a less busy time. And they are becoming rarer as there are too many pensioners now! The pil made out like bandits but I can see that by the time I retire I’ll probably have to pay extra!

Many people who receive benefits also work.

pinkrocket123 · 11/05/2026 15:54

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 13:15

Tho is it also. If I fall in hard times there is very little welfare for me as we have a mortgage and so wouldn’t be entitled to universal credit.

Actually you would.

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