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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

OP posts:
MyLimeGuide · 12/05/2026 11:09

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 09:02

The poster getting attacked on here works 16 hours when she does not have to work at all according to the UC rules. Yet she has been berated for it.

Commitments for UC if you have a child under 3 is just writing CVs etc and the occasional meeting with a work coach. You are not expected to look for work, or have a job. This is on the Gov website that anyone can look up.
The people most vitriolic and vocal about UC tend to not know how it works or what the rules are. They just attack people claiming.

But doesn't that mean that poster gets all the benefits for being unable to work and then works the 16hrs anyway and gets to keep that (tax free)? Because that's not fair to those working full time.

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 11:14

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 10:58

Maternity leave is a thing.

Until the age of 3? Also, you seen how much statutory mat leave is? You sound way more sympathetic towards those receiving benefits than those in work who receive none.

MyLimeGuide · 12/05/2026 11:14

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:56

Ive worked full time since I was 16. Then found myself a single mum before my daughter was born and made rhe choice to work pt until she was 3 and claim benefits so I didnt have to let a stranger raise her.

Sending your child to a nursery for 8hrs a day isn't having a stranger 'raise' your child. And kids go to school too you know, enabling us adults to work.

Itchthescratch · 12/05/2026 11:15

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:51

Sorry no I wasnt going to let a stranger raise my child and potentially abuse them just to be a few bob better off a week. Im now part way into a degree and when I work full time I'll gladly see other women make the choice to stay at home with theres too.

This is why the rules need to be changed. It shouldn't be a choice unless you can fund it yourself.

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 11:15

MyLimeGuide · 12/05/2026 11:14

Sending your child to a nursery for 8hrs a day isn't having a stranger 'raise' your child. And kids go to school too you know, enabling us adults to work.

I wouldn’t bother engaging. Clearly some people feel entitled to a free meal ticket at the expense of others.

TheSnootiestFox · 12/05/2026 11:17

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 10:58

Maternity leave is a thing.

It is, but it's only relatively recently been paid for longer. My kids are 16 and 18 and I had 6 months paid, also I was in a promoted post that been specifically created for me and after 6 months off in those days your employer could change your contract without consultation and I'd worked bloody hard for that, and knew id have to go back full time so wanted my own job. So I had 4 weeks off before their births and 20 weeks off after.

The cracks were showing in my marriage even at that stage, not least because I wanted to go part time and ex husband wouldn't hear of it due to me being the higher earner. Every time I rang the tax credits line to ask what I'd be entitled to if I left, they practically laughed at me because of my salary. They always worked out entitlement on what you'd earned the year before and while I was on a decent salary it was nowhere enough to pay the mortgage and childcare on my own.

Honestly UC seems a much better system as as I understand they work in real time, but there is a huge amount of women claiming now who don't know they're born!

MyLimeGuide · 12/05/2026 11:17

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 11:15

I wouldn’t bother engaging. Clearly some people feel entitled to a free meal ticket at the expense of others.

True. But its so annoying that they can!! This country is ridiculous in the way the welfare system works. Next thing you know they will be dishing out benefits for folk to stay at home and home school their kids?!

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 11:18

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:51

Sorry no I wasnt going to let a stranger raise my child and potentially abuse them just to be a few bob better off a week. Im now part way into a degree and when I work full time I'll gladly see other women make the choice to stay at home with theres too.

Hopefully your grammar will improve for the sake of your degree.

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 11:19

MyLimeGuide · 12/05/2026 11:17

True. But its so annoying that they can!! This country is ridiculous in the way the welfare system works. Next thing you know they will be dishing out benefits for folk to stay at home and home school their kids?!

Exactly how I feel, but it’s clear from this thread that the people in receipt of such benefits do not care about the rest of society. It’s selfishness.

C152 · 12/05/2026 11:20

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:54

axtually some of them have pretty good lifestyles, brand new housing, holidays, £1 days out. without having to work. Or working v little.

You may be right; some people always seem to land on their feet. I personally have never met anyone on UC who has that sort of lifestyle, and it doesn't in any way reflect my life when I was on UC. I see them struggling in unaffordable and unsuitable rental accommodation (if they can get it at all), balancing childcare, multiple jobs and caring responsibilities. I don't say they are alone in this - many who cannot or do not claim any benefits are in a similar situation. It is the conditions that mean people working multiple jobs still can't afford basic living costs that should be addressed. It's the massive disparity between the very wealthy and the very poor that we should be examining. Not whether we can take even more away from those more vulnerable than us and those at the very bottom.

People also really need to drop the £1 days out rhetoric. It makes a great Daily Mail headline, but doesn't reflect the full truth of the matter. Did you read the part of my earlier post about multiple groups being entitled to discounted days out? Residents, pensioners, community groups, educators, those using public transport, everyone with a library card etc?

oldFoolMe · 12/05/2026 11:21

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:57

Wish full time working families had that luxury.

They do - everyone has a choice. You either play the long game in the hope of a better future or you stay home with less money. UC claimants face a 83% ‘tax’ if you account for tax, ni and then the 55% taper rate without the additional childcare fees. Not through choice but by the system.

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 11:21

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 11:19

Exactly how I feel, but it’s clear from this thread that the people in receipt of such benefits do not care about the rest of society. It’s selfishness.

I have not seen that on here at all. Just nastiness towards anyone on benefits... as is always the way on threads like these.

You could be one of them one day.

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 12/05/2026 11:24

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 11:19

Exactly how I feel, but it’s clear from this thread that the people in receipt of such benefits do not care about the rest of society. It’s selfishness.

but the whole economic model relys on business to make profit and with globalisation theres only so much profit that can be made in any industry

so basically at the core of society you would need only essential workers

in the end if you ran society purely for profit then it would be back to victorian England type society

previouslyknownas · 12/05/2026 11:31

angelos02 · 12/05/2026 10:35

Maybe workers wouldn't come across as bitter if they weren't paying for other people's lifestyle choices while also paying for their own.

They would still be taxed and in the same position even if a person wasn’t getting benefits
your wages aren’t going to go any further
because someone isn’t claiming benefits

Itchthescratch · 12/05/2026 11:33

previouslyknownas · 12/05/2026 11:31

They would still be taxed and in the same position even if a person wasn’t getting benefits
your wages aren’t going to go any further
because someone isn’t claiming benefits

But obviously the person working will need to be taxed more to subsidise those who aren't working. This will either happen directly as Income Tax or indirectly in the increase in Employee National Insurance payments. Ultimately all these things work to suppress the amount of money that a worker will end up taking home.

It's not a victimless decision to choose to claim benefits.

previouslyknownas · 12/05/2026 11:33

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:41

Working full time in this country doesn’t pay off. I feel resentful towards women who have multiple children funded by the state and get to be stay at home mothers while I have to slog away at work and have most of my pay taken off me to pay tax.

Then have multiple kids and rely on the state to provide for you and them

but you won’t
and if you won’t - why not

cadburyegg · 12/05/2026 11:35

Perrygreen · 12/05/2026 11:04

If I'd worked full time with young or primary school children as a lone parent I'd have been sacked for all the extra time off I needed for illness. It was a close call even working PT tbh. That would have cost the country even more as it would look awful on my CV and I'd struggle to find another role.

Yes exactly

A couple living together working full time can literally split the illnesses and emergencies between them. If there’s just one of you then you have to do it all!

sugarpiebunnyhunch · 12/05/2026 11:37

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:27

So don’t come on this thread if you’ve nothing to contribute then…?!

Sorry, who made you thread police?

Wynter25 · 12/05/2026 11:37

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 11:21

I have not seen that on here at all. Just nastiness towards anyone on benefits... as is always the way on threads like these.

You could be one of them one day.

Exactly!

frozendaisy · 12/05/2026 11:38

Well come the next general election I am envisioning there will be some options of parties who are prepared to cut the generous benefits. So each voter will have a choice on where to place their X.

Until then people can and should claim the benefits they are able to just as taxpayers can lower their tax bills with pension contributions etc.

Everyone plays a game to get as much household income as they can, it’s two sides of the same coin.

Itchthescratch · 12/05/2026 11:38

C152 · 12/05/2026 11:20

You may be right; some people always seem to land on their feet. I personally have never met anyone on UC who has that sort of lifestyle, and it doesn't in any way reflect my life when I was on UC. I see them struggling in unaffordable and unsuitable rental accommodation (if they can get it at all), balancing childcare, multiple jobs and caring responsibilities. I don't say they are alone in this - many who cannot or do not claim any benefits are in a similar situation. It is the conditions that mean people working multiple jobs still can't afford basic living costs that should be addressed. It's the massive disparity between the very wealthy and the very poor that we should be examining. Not whether we can take even more away from those more vulnerable than us and those at the very bottom.

People also really need to drop the £1 days out rhetoric. It makes a great Daily Mail headline, but doesn't reflect the full truth of the matter. Did you read the part of my earlier post about multiple groups being entitled to discounted days out? Residents, pensioners, community groups, educators, those using public transport, everyone with a library card etc?

Most people that claim UC are not working multiple jobs. They aren't working at all. I'm sick and tired of people pretending that UC is all about the working poor who are working all hours under the sun and can't make ends meet. This is very much the minority of claimants. People aren't stupid. Who would sign up to a life like that if you can make a very similar amount of money and not work at all?

The £1 entry is a moral and ethical point. The other groups you list almost certainly won't be entitled to such a large discount. A few quid off here and there is the norm but it seems we reserve basically almost free entrance for those who are in a group where the majority don't work. What kind of messaging is this?

Itchthescratch · 12/05/2026 11:40

frozendaisy · 12/05/2026 11:38

Well come the next general election I am envisioning there will be some options of parties who are prepared to cut the generous benefits. So each voter will have a choice on where to place their X.

Until then people can and should claim the benefits they are able to just as taxpayers can lower their tax bills with pension contributions etc.

Everyone plays a game to get as much household income as they can, it’s two sides of the same coin.

Absolutely, I have always said benefit maximisation is the other side of the coin from tax avoidance (not evasion!). Lefties love to harp on about the latter but rarely mention the former.

It looks very much like a reckoning is coming in the next GE.

Wynter25 · 12/05/2026 11:44

Itchthescratch · 12/05/2026 11:38

Most people that claim UC are not working multiple jobs. They aren't working at all. I'm sick and tired of people pretending that UC is all about the working poor who are working all hours under the sun and can't make ends meet. This is very much the minority of claimants. People aren't stupid. Who would sign up to a life like that if you can make a very similar amount of money and not work at all?

The £1 entry is a moral and ethical point. The other groups you list almost certainly won't be entitled to such a large discount. A few quid off here and there is the norm but it seems we reserve basically almost free entrance for those who are in a group where the majority don't work. What kind of messaging is this?

Actually loads work and claim.

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 11:45

previouslyknownas · 12/05/2026 11:33

Then have multiple kids and rely on the state to provide for you and them

but you won’t
and if you won’t - why not

Because I am infertile, thanks!!!!!!

MyLimeGuide · 12/05/2026 11:47

Hell yeah bring on the next GE im rooting for Kemi B she seems to be ready to action this topic.

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