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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

OP posts:
BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:42

TheSnootiestFox · 12/05/2026 10:41

No, putting a roof over my children's heads dictated that choice, I wanted to be at home with them while they were small. But, because at that time I was married and we couldn't claim anything I had to leave them in nursery and work bloody hard.

Id never hate on other women for not having to make the choice I also didn't want to make ? How mental is that.

Zebedee999 · 12/05/2026 10:42

Maddy70 · 12/05/2026 10:25

The biggest welfare payments are pensions. I think we all agree they should be higher too but we have an aging population who are using more resources without largely paying in.

We actually need immigration to boost the workforce and pay taxes as you are correct. It's unsustainable long term

Immigration is a ponzi scheme. Where does it stop? When there is standing room only? This island was shown by the Greens long ago to only be able to support 30million people, we're at 70million now.

Endless immigration isn't a solution. We need automation of routine tasks, use of AI, better productivity etc etc to remove the need for many jobs so that the workers can do those that cannot be automated.

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:43

C152 · 12/05/2026 10:42

No, they're not; but those who start these sorts of benefits bashing threads are rarely concerned with actual facts. What will follow is not a rant at you.

Like I pointed out on a recent thread that was very similar to this, private attractions like zoos etc., are often charitable organisations who have a remit to provide education/support to certain groups. The funding for these tickets isn't gauged from those who pay full price. It's usually provided by some form of grant. If you take London Zoo, their original funding for reduced price tickets ran out. It proved so popular that they sought further funding from the National Lottery Heritage Fund, and have opened the criteria to other groups. UC includes those on pension credit and they also offer reduced prices for community groups and disabled people. Relatively cheap training (CPD approved) is also available for teachers.

Would the same people whining that they'd be so much better off if only the people on UC were made homeless and left to starve feel the same about reduced cost training for teachers? Do they resent that too?

And what about private attractions like Tower Bridge, for example, who offer £1 entry for all residents in the borough, regardless of income? Produce a recent council tax bill and you only pay £1 entry. Or councils that have partnered with organisations to encourage library use by ensuring everyone who shows a library card gets a discount or 2 for 1 entry at attractions like art galleries? Why is there no uproar about that?

It's shit many can't afford to get on the housing ladder. That won't improve just by removing benefits. 10 years ago, a single person in London needed to earn at least £40k to get a mortgage (I'm sure there are outliers who managed, but this was the general rule). It's no surprise that figure has risen, particularly when house prices have continued to rise at a greater rate than salaries.

Evidence from various Universal Basic Income schemes suggest that the main effect is increased financial stability and improved mental health. Although it usually goes hand in hand with improved employment (it doesn't always), certain schemes have seen residents who were at risk of dropping out, continue with their education; whilst others have supported artists and freelancers to set up their own businesses. We should be looking at what has worked in these schemes (and similar, like the Finnish 'Housing First' strategy) and what may work for our population, rather than demonising those on benefits and threatening to remove them.

But where’s the incentive to work if your lifestyle is paid for?

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:44

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:42

Id never hate on other women for not having to make the choice I also didn't want to make ? How mental is that.

It isn’t mental at all — it’s called personal responsibility and we all ought to be contributing to society to help eachother.

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 10:44

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:41

Working full time in this country doesn’t pay off. I feel resentful towards women who have multiple children funded by the state and get to be stay at home mothers while I have to slog away at work and have most of my pay taken off me to pay tax.

Why the assumption that all single mums (always mums isn't it) had kids outside of a relationship? Relationship break downs/abuse/death etc does happen.

TheSnootiestFox · 12/05/2026 10:45

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:42

Id never hate on other women for not having to make the choice I also didn't want to make ? How mental is that.

Mental? Mental is the size of the welfare bill in the UK, that's what Mental!

Dear God, you really can't see it can you? People choosing to work the bare minimum is just not sustainable and that will impact the next generation of women who will find themselves trying to have their children in a bankrupt country. For Heaven's sake, grow up!

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:47

TheSnootiestFox · 12/05/2026 10:38

Oooh you have no clue about the adversity I faced when a teenager so don't even go there. Was I busting a gut at school at 16 because I realised education was my ticket out, absolutely I was. Clearly I just should have been shagging instead of revising. Grangela is only where she is because the unions recognised a gobshite and as a woman she was different from the John Prescotts of this world so attention grabbing. Also nothing to do with IQ.

And I'm not your love.

The fact youre using individuals who you evidently dislike to pick holes in a peer reviewed study is funny. Glad youre not teaching my kids

cadburyegg · 12/05/2026 10:47

It’s just not as simple to tell everyone to work full time. My usually reliable childcare arrangement has fallen through twice this week already which means I’m having to make time up. I don’t have a partner and my exh is pretty useless , that’s why we are divorced.

A couple working full time can do juggle the drop offs and pick ups between them, so my friend and her husband for example, one of them drops off and the other picks up so they can maximise their working time.

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:49

TheSnootiestFox · 12/05/2026 10:45

Mental? Mental is the size of the welfare bill in the UK, that's what Mental!

Dear God, you really can't see it can you? People choosing to work the bare minimum is just not sustainable and that will impact the next generation of women who will find themselves trying to have their children in a bankrupt country. For Heaven's sake, grow up!

Thats not down to the welfare state my love. Thats down to extreme capitalism, trickle down economics, mismanagement of assets etc etc. YOU DONT SEE IT DO YOU blinkered enough to only point the finger and the poor and the brown

C152 · 12/05/2026 10:51

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:43

But where’s the incentive to work if your lifestyle is paid for?

What "lifestyle" do you imagine people on UC are living? It's hardly a life of luxury.

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:51

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:44

It isn’t mental at all — it’s called personal responsibility and we all ought to be contributing to society to help eachother.

Sorry no I wasnt going to let a stranger raise my child and potentially abuse them just to be a few bob better off a week. Im now part way into a degree and when I work full time I'll gladly see other women make the choice to stay at home with theres too.

angelos02 · 12/05/2026 10:52

C152 · 12/05/2026 10:51

What "lifestyle" do you imagine people on UC are living? It's hardly a life of luxury.

Nor should it.

Plugg · 12/05/2026 10:53

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:44

It isn’t mental at all — it’s called personal responsibility and we all ought to be contributing to society to help eachother.

Certain people on this threat have no idea what personal responsibility is, what pride in hard work is, what contributing to society involves,how benefits are funded, the economic state the UK faces, they know nothing about the economy whatsoever.

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:53

Zebedee999 · 12/05/2026 10:42

Immigration is a ponzi scheme. Where does it stop? When there is standing room only? This island was shown by the Greens long ago to only be able to support 30million people, we're at 70million now.

Endless immigration isn't a solution. We need automation of routine tasks, use of AI, better productivity etc etc to remove the need for many jobs so that the workers can do those that cannot be automated.

A more complex issue of we need to stop supporting illegal wars that create refugees, we need to stop contributing to climate destruction with our lifestyles making large swathes of poorer countries uninhabitable- bigger responsibilities in the world than whos paid a bit of tax towards a single mum staying home for a year or 2

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:54

C152 · 12/05/2026 10:51

What "lifestyle" do you imagine people on UC are living? It's hardly a life of luxury.

axtually some of them have pretty good lifestyles, brand new housing, holidays, £1 days out. without having to work. Or working v little.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/05/2026 10:55

boomshakalakawoo · 12/05/2026 08:43

Hopefully the kids on benefits are learning that they aren’t worthless, and deserve good things despite having no money.

I’m originally from a less developed country where the gap between rich and poor is incredibly stark. I think poorer children deserve nice experiences despite their parents’ lack of privilege, don’t you think? The UK is a much better place for people without economic privilege, and I think that’s something to be proud of. But clearly your politics do not align with mine.

Worth doesn’t come from having “good things”.

it comes from having dreams and ambitions and finding one’s place in society.

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:56

Plugg · 12/05/2026 10:53

Certain people on this threat have no idea what personal responsibility is, what pride in hard work is, what contributing to society involves,how benefits are funded, the economic state the UK faces, they know nothing about the economy whatsoever.

Ive worked full time since I was 16. Then found myself a single mum before my daughter was born and made rhe choice to work pt until she was 3 and claim benefits so I didnt have to let a stranger raise her.

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:57

Plugg · 12/05/2026 10:53

Certain people on this threat have no idea what personal responsibility is, what pride in hard work is, what contributing to society involves,how benefits are funded, the economic state the UK faces, they know nothing about the economy whatsoever.

100%

I imagine a lot are stuck in their own bubbles of thinking.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/05/2026 10:57

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:51

Sorry no I wasnt going to let a stranger raise my child and potentially abuse them just to be a few bob better off a week. Im now part way into a degree and when I work full time I'll gladly see other women make the choice to stay at home with theres too.

Bur you are happy to accept that other women leave their children with strangers so they can work and pay into society?

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:57

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:56

Ive worked full time since I was 16. Then found myself a single mum before my daughter was born and made rhe choice to work pt until she was 3 and claim benefits so I didnt have to let a stranger raise her.

Wish full time working families had that luxury.

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 10:58

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 10:57

Wish full time working families had that luxury.

Maternity leave is a thing.

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 11:01

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/05/2026 10:57

Bur you are happy to accept that other women leave their children with strangers so they can work and pay into society?

No i think its awful but its a choice they make, and a problem created by government 🤷🏼‍♀️ im not gonna hate on another woman for having a nice husband, a nice house, a nicer car etc etc so I wouldnt hate on a woman for not having to work whilst they had an infant either

TheSnootiestFox · 12/05/2026 11:04

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:47

The fact youre using individuals who you evidently dislike to pick holes in a peer reviewed study is funny. Glad youre not teaching my kids

How do you know I'm not?

Perrygreen · 12/05/2026 11:04

If I'd worked full time with young or primary school children as a lone parent I'd have been sacked for all the extra time off I needed for illness. It was a close call even working PT tbh. That would have cost the country even more as it would look awful on my CV and I'd struggle to find another role.

TheSnootiestFox · 12/05/2026 11:07

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 10:49

Thats not down to the welfare state my love. Thats down to extreme capitalism, trickle down economics, mismanagement of assets etc etc. YOU DONT SEE IT DO YOU blinkered enough to only point the finger and the poor and the brown

Oh, don't be so silly. And where have I mentioned 'the brown??'. I'm glad I'm not teaching your children too if they've inherited your level of comprehension of the world around them!

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