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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

OP posts:
tachetastic · 11/05/2026 21:48

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 15:45

Ive got the chance to so im going to.

To be honest, I don't blame you, but it is a slap in the face to working families that do not have the time to enjoy their kids because they are so busy working.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:48

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:47

The previous poster can use childcare, she has no excuse. These are the type of people that many of us have had enough of, not the genuinely disabled or those looking after severely disabled children.

Childcare will be taxpayer funded too.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 11/05/2026 21:48

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:41

and some of us do essential jobs that contribute massively to society but which are not well paid.

And you deserve to receive additional support as long as you are working a decent amount of hours and not just a minimal amount

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:48

tachetastic · 11/05/2026 21:48

To be honest, I don't blame you, but it is a slap in the face to working families that do not have the time to enjoy their kids because they are so busy working.

She is not a "family" though. She is a single parent.

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:49

GaIadriel · 11/05/2026 21:47

My mate's brother has moved back in with his mum aged 41. He smokes weed and plays games all day. He somehow managed to buy a PS5 with his benefits. I 100% believe he could work if he had to. He just seems to feel retail work is beneath him since starting uni, failing his first year and then missing the re-enrolment date after which point he just gave up.

How awful its certainly not a life I'd be jealous of. Hopefully he can get some help and can get back on his feet

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 21:49

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:25

Yes I am. You want to learn, I am teaching you. Learning doesn’t end when you leave school.

Stop being so patronising and unpleasant.

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:49

NoUsernameAvailableAgain · 11/05/2026 21:42

Again just because it is legal doesn’t make it morally right. I wouldn’t want to teach my children that it’s ok to do the bare minimum as the government will just pay for it instead.

yeah....I spent years at the school gates with unpleasant women taking unreasoanble pops at me about my situation. Poor kids always the first to be dropped off and last to be picked up. Shouldn't have children if you're not prepared to pay for them. Once told I couldn't possibly be a teacher because I was a single parent (hilarious) and once had some of the playground bitches stand on my (owned outright) doorstep and sniff stating 'well, we could all live in houses like this if we didn't have to pay rent couldn't we?'. People hate you as a single parent. Doesn't matter what you do. You're fair game as far as just about everybody is concerned. Hated, stupid, useless, bitch who is unable to take responsibility. I made choices and I took responsibility whilst my ex did fuck all. Never heard a bad word said about him, however. Quite the opposite. Plenty happy to tell me what a wonderful dad he was on the odd day he rocked up for the school run.

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:50

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:48

Childcare will be taxpayer funded too.

As I have said before, we should have universal low cost childcare.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:50

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 11/05/2026 21:48

And you deserve to receive additional support as long as you are working a decent amount of hours and not just a minimal amount

You have no idea about the zero hour jobs about now that only offer you stuff like 8 hours per week. And that is places like Tesco.
People get top ups because they are not given enough work.

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:51

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:48

She is not a "family" though. She is a single parent.

fucking hell. seriously? You're a family whether there's one parent or a massive extended family living under the same roof. How dare you suggest my children and I are not 'family'.

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:51

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:47

The previous poster can use childcare, she has no excuse. These are the type of people that many of us have had enough of, not the genuinely disabled or those looking after severely disabled children.

Thats unusual normally people on these threads hate disabled people

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 21:52

Newyearawaits · 11/05/2026 21:28

Remember that the old age pension isn't a benefit

Yes it is. It's a contributory benefit.

kombuchabucha · 11/05/2026 21:52

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

I wouldn't describe this as "tax free", this is tax evasion.

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:52

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:50

You have no idea about the zero hour jobs about now that only offer you stuff like 8 hours per week. And that is places like Tesco.
People get top ups because they are not given enough work.

The previous poster that you love to defend hasn’t got a zero hours job. She has already confirmed that.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:52

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:51

fucking hell. seriously? You're a family whether there's one parent or a massive extended family living under the same roof. How dare you suggest my children and I are not 'family'.

Sorry, I did not mean you are not a family in the traditional sense. Just that not everyone has family around them to help.

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:54

Right im off to bed some of us scroungers have work in the morning. Night everyone. Love ya xx

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:54

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:51

Thats unusual normally people on these threads hate disabled people

That’s your perception, not mine.

GaIadriel · 11/05/2026 21:55

Honestly, as a self employed person on a half decent wage (which I fucking graft for in highly dangerous environments) I'm a sliver away from just taking cash payments whenever possible like so many others in my industry do. I actually got offered several months work today at £250 a day cash in hand. Really easy work too where I'd only be working onsite on tacho exempt vehicles with no digital records stored.

I'm getting more tempted by the day tbh. £40k on the books and £25k in my pocket would do just fine.

Starsaff · 11/05/2026 21:55

FinchiePink · 11/05/2026 14:55

You realise ~60% of welfare spending is on pensioners?

The £1 tickets for UC claimants barely moves the needle.

If you want to cut the welfare spending in any meaningful way, you need to look at pensioners, not working age benefits.

They probably will and then their will be generations who get shafted at both ends of their life and all though the middle! As a country we need to look at the private companies we outsource government and council contracts to, we're being bled dry by private often foreign companies. In my council area for example the French company who do this charge £5000, to plant one single tree! Look at the private businesses who take pay huge dividends to their shareholder but then go cap in hand to the government for a bit of lovely corporate welfare. Not to mention corporate profit shifting and those who don't bother paying what they should in tax. We've been sold up the river for decades now while the rich get richer and richer. But don't mind them its all the fault of those pesky immigrants or the poor or the sick and disabled, so vote Reform so they can sell off the NHS as well!

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:55

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:54

Right im off to bed some of us scroungers have work in the morning. Night everyone. Love ya xx

I hope your pillow is cool :)

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:55

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:52

Sorry, I did not mean you are not a family in the traditional sense. Just that not everyone has family around them to help.

phew. thank you

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:55

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:55

I hope your pillow is cool :)

Thankyou you too x

NoUsernameAvailableAgain · 11/05/2026 21:58

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:49

yeah....I spent years at the school gates with unpleasant women taking unreasoanble pops at me about my situation. Poor kids always the first to be dropped off and last to be picked up. Shouldn't have children if you're not prepared to pay for them. Once told I couldn't possibly be a teacher because I was a single parent (hilarious) and once had some of the playground bitches stand on my (owned outright) doorstep and sniff stating 'well, we could all live in houses like this if we didn't have to pay rent couldn't we?'. People hate you as a single parent. Doesn't matter what you do. You're fair game as far as just about everybody is concerned. Hated, stupid, useless, bitch who is unable to take responsibility. I made choices and I took responsibility whilst my ex did fuck all. Never heard a bad word said about him, however. Quite the opposite. Plenty happy to tell me what a wonderful dad he was on the odd day he rocked up for the school run.

I barely do the school run I am ususally at work. I don’t have a nice house nor is it owned I rent. I am not rich far from it. My ex is also a bell end. But I work because it’s the right thing to do.

PropertyD · 11/05/2026 21:58

I certainly didn’t earn £100k at the beginning. I am working part time now (not with the FTSE company I was with for over 30 years) with my state pension paid next year so at end of career.

i didn’t choose to have children early, I didnt smugly say I would use the system to fund my choices.

PropertyD · 11/05/2026 22:00

When I was younger only 5% went to university so it wasnt at all common and you didn’t need a degree to get a job. You could work your way up.

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