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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

OP posts:
GaIadriel · 11/05/2026 22:00

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:49

How awful its certainly not a life I'd be jealous of. Hopefully he can get some help and can get back on his feet

It's all he did when he was working. He clearly just realised the working bit wasn't necessary.

Latteapparel · 11/05/2026 22:03

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

Great to know that teachers are tax evaders.

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 22:03

NoUsernameAvailableAgain · 11/05/2026 21:58

I barely do the school run I am ususally at work. I don’t have a nice house nor is it owned I rent. I am not rich far from it. My ex is also a bell end. But I work because it’s the right thing to do.

whatever.

I also worked and continue to do so. Because I didn't believe I had a choice. Not because it was 'right'. It wasn't right for my children from a full time perspective. It doesn't make me an arse who can't recognise that other people's situations are not my own. Nor does it mean I can't recognise that sometimes things are more complex than they appear..

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 11/05/2026 22:04

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:50

You have no idea about the zero hour jobs about now that only offer you stuff like 8 hours per week. And that is places like Tesco.
People get top ups because they are not given enough work.

And if that is the only work they are able to get then I agree they should get support during this time but they should be looking for a more permanent/better hours job and not staying long term on a job only giving 8 hours a week.

previouslyknownas · 11/05/2026 22:04

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 13:15

Tho is it also. If I fall in hard times there is very little welfare for me as we have a mortgage and so wouldn’t be entitled to universal credit.

That’s not correct
they wouldn’t pay your mortgage but you would be entitled to claim and see what you get

Plugg · 11/05/2026 22:04

Latteapparel · 11/05/2026 22:03

Great to know that teachers are tax evaders.

It’s a pretty piss poor show. I’d dob them into HMRC.

MyFellowScroller · 11/05/2026 22:05

There is quite a bit about Benefits in Kemi's Alternative Kings Speech published today. At first read it looks sensible.

Feis123 · 11/05/2026 22:08

Itchthescratch · 11/05/2026 15:10

You can have as much savings as you like and live in social housing. You don't need to claim UC to live there and can in fact be a millionaire taking advantage of cheap housing.

Spot on - and the locations!!!! Social housing in Fitzrovia! Behind Mecklenburgh Square! And in Datchet House, Euston Road - amazing.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 22:08

MyFellowScroller · 11/05/2026 22:05

There is quite a bit about Benefits in Kemi's Alternative Kings Speech published today. At first read it looks sensible.

Where are the jobs that the people being taken off of benefits are meant to be getting?

sunights · 11/05/2026 22:08

StandingDeskDisco · 11/05/2026 14:53

Don't forget that if you have a mortgage you are buying an asset. In 20 or 30 years time you will be immensely better off that someone who rents for life.

well off enough to fund your own care costs when the time comes! great to have options, but is it worth the effort of working hard?

MyFellowScroller · 11/05/2026 22:12

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 22:08

Where are the jobs that the people being taken off of benefits are meant to be getting?

The revitalised Hospitality Sector and the Energy Industry. Even manufacturing.
Costs to employers will be reduced, particularly Rates.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 22:14

MyFellowScroller · 11/05/2026 22:12

The revitalised Hospitality Sector and the Energy Industry. Even manufacturing.
Costs to employers will be reduced, particularly Rates.

Edit. oops. Ignore me.

previouslyknownas · 11/05/2026 22:15

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 15:21

No but they are still a perk that middle class families can’t access

Then give up your professional job
sell your house
move into rented
split from your husband
claim benefits
and see how wonderful it is
but you won’t because you know it’s not really all that wonderful

so what if someone in your family has a social house and can afford a holiday

if your earning 90k a year and can’t afford a holiday abroad your doing something wrong

I was on benefits as a single mother many years ago
I always always always had a holiday abroad for two weeks with my DS

so did all of my friends and family

sometimes twice a year - shock horror
I suppose as a single mum I shouldn’t be able to do that

I figured out a long long time ago that doing things the way you do it gets you no brownie points

admittedly it was a lot easier to get very nice social housing year ago and tax credits were very very generous

RTB was amazing for many people

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 22:17

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:47

The previous poster can use childcare, she has no excuse. These are the type of people that many of us have had enough of, not the genuinely disabled or those looking after severely disabled children.

I can only do what i can atm.

littleorangefox · 11/05/2026 22:17

Harmonious1 · 11/05/2026 15:22

I know someone who has claimed benefits for 45 years and bought a house during that time.

And? Should people on benefits not buy houses?

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 22:18

sunights · 11/05/2026 22:08

well off enough to fund your own care costs when the time comes! great to have options, but is it worth the effort of working hard?

oh right....you're a scrounger if you need benefits of any kind, regardless of how hard you might actually work or how essential your job may be....but it's OK to not want to pay for care in the future. Got it. Makes perfect sense. Not.

10namechangeslater · 11/05/2026 22:18

Itchthescratch · 11/05/2026 15:02

That isn't true, especially if you are lucky enough to rent social housing. You have secure housing at below market rate. You could invest the excess money in stocks and shares that often outperforms the housing market. You also avoid having to pay interest payments on mortgage payments. You can enjoy an excellent standard of living, enjoy your money and then have no assets to sell when you need a care home.

Excellent standard of living in social housing??? I’ve lived in social housing. There was nothing excellent about it. Rents aren’t as low as they used to be and lifelong tenancies aren’t standard now. They are usually in bad condition and in not so nice areas and it’s an absolute nightmare trying to get any repairs done.

OP you need to check yourself seriously. You are in a privileged position and have no clue what it is like to have to survive on benefits. Especially as a single parent with no maintenance from the other parent. These benefit bashing threads are just getting ridiculous now.

boomshakalakawoo · 11/05/2026 22:21

I really don’t give a shit about how generous social welfare is. I’ve never met someone on benefits who has a better life than me. (I’m not a high earner.) Like others have said, many other European countries have a far more generous welfare system than ours.

Tax the billionaires, stop blaming poor people for your problems.

Dreamcatcherat50 · 11/05/2026 22:25

'These people are stealing the money that should be going into public services that benefit everybody, not just them'

'This is such a ludicrous argument. Should I be excluded from buying designer clipothes and handbags because I can't afford them.'

Wow. The hard of thinking really are out in force on these threads. I genuinely don't understand how some of you are employed. Who on earth has employed you? Do you say things like that at work?

Designer handbags are equivalent to a day out for children who are struggling and have no control over their circumstances? Really?! And people who claim benefits are stealing money?

Brainless doesn't even begin to cover it.

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 22:25

boomshakalakawoo · 11/05/2026 22:21

I really don’t give a shit about how generous social welfare is. I’ve never met someone on benefits who has a better life than me. (I’m not a high earner.) Like others have said, many other European countries have a far more generous welfare system than ours.

Tax the billionaires, stop blaming poor people for your problems.

Which billionaires specifically?

previouslyknownas · 11/05/2026 22:29

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 15:23

But those top ups bring them up to the same standard of disposable income as middle class families. So what is the point of earning more money if you are going to be not better off in practice?

there isn’t

but I’m surprised as your so educated and middle class your only just realising it 😂😂

it’s been this way for a long long time
I’m getting on in age and it was always the case especially tax credits was very generous for most people

UC isn’t as generous but still doable depending on your rent and personal circumstances and if you have kids or a disability

pretty much everyone I know both family and friends bought their home via RTB for peanuts inc myself

my parents bought their council house many many years ago and when they passed away they left it to my son as he lived with them

Victorian Terrace 3 bed huge garden in the catchment area for two outstanding schools and probably one of the most popular cities outside of London and the south east

and as long as I don’t need any care when I’m older my son will inherit my ex council house which is worth a pretty penny as it’s not on a typical council estate

GetAbsOrDieTrying · 11/05/2026 22:30

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 15:36

Yes they should access them on there means of being able to pay for the entry fee… just like everyone else is.

Totally agree with you! My kids go to a state school and they recently had a residential trip. The kids who didn’t go are those where the parents are working but not entitled to any benefits. All the kids on benefits were able to go as they are subsidised by the rest and don’t have to pay. The cost of the trip was £180 per child.

A registrar( Doctor) who has twins had to make his kids miss this as he could not afford to pay and is not eligible for any benefits. So I don’t think ppl should get cheaper tickets or a free ride if they are on benefits as hardworking people’s children are impacted. And shouldn’t all children be treated the same?!

Newyearawaits · 11/05/2026 22:31

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 20:24

PP is a single mum.
When did MN turn into a place that hated them so much?

I was a single parent too but didn't feel entitled to anything. Like many other parents, I worked ft

Gingerkittykat · 11/05/2026 22:37

Monty36 · 11/05/2026 15:29

What needs to happen is the tax credits need to wither on the vine. Society functioned better without them. There was a time before they existed. Gordon Brown introduced them. Awful. They are the biggest employer pay subsidy invented.
But, in practice they keep people on modest jobs without the possibility of progression. They keep people all on the same sort of pay. Employer doesn’t care because the taxpayer picks up what they should be paying.
They need to slowly die out.

There have been top up benefits since 1973 when family income supplement was introduced. It was replaced by family credit in 1986 which my mum claimed after my parents' divorce.

The reality is that employers would not pay a living wage if UC top ups were taken away. Would they rather employ a couple of people on a 15 hour minimum wage contract than give one person a secure full time job.

All that removing top up benefits would do is plunge more families into poverty.

previouslyknownas · 11/05/2026 22:38

GetAbsOrDieTrying · 11/05/2026 22:30

Totally agree with you! My kids go to a state school and they recently had a residential trip. The kids who didn’t go are those where the parents are working but not entitled to any benefits. All the kids on benefits were able to go as they are subsidised by the rest and don’t have to pay. The cost of the trip was £180 per child.

A registrar( Doctor) who has twins had to make his kids miss this as he could not afford to pay and is not eligible for any benefits. So I don’t think ppl should get cheaper tickets or a free ride if they are on benefits as hardworking people’s children are impacted. And shouldn’t all children be treated the same?!

then maybe the Doctor should give his or her career up and claim benefits

seeing as it’s such a wonderful life

Or maybe he or she should have picked a higher paying career

They are not very smart if they choose a career that isn’t high paying and them moaning they can’t afford school trips

but they won’t will they ….

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