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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

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TheOliveWriter · 11/05/2026 21:27

MsGreying · 11/05/2026 20:59

Ate we thinking about renting wrong?
Everyone expects a property of their own. Under 25s I think only get a shared room cost these days .. so hmo for them.

With constant demand pressure on housing.. perhaps we need to think dormitory living for those who need more support? Or have never worked.

(Deliberately goady)

The truth is we can't afford to keep paying masses of hb to house people. Sp why aren't they building more social housing? Because there's not enough land. We need farm land and green space around us.

They don't build much because tenants have the right to buy it at a discount and they can only use the receipts from the sales on other council stuff, not on building more. (the idea, was that the money from the sales would go in to reducing council tax bills, but because there was more demand for costly emergency housing it didn't work) They are effectively put in the position of developers who can't make a profit, and the funds they use to build come from everyone's council tax.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:27

GimmieABreakOr3 · 11/05/2026 21:26

That is such a ridiculous response… If more people took personal responsibility for themselves and their situations, we wouldn’t have such a welfare burden.

The PP is doing nothing wrong, and is claiming what she is entitled to.

What do you get by calling her out and calling her a scrounger? Does it make you feel better?

GimmieABreakOr3 · 11/05/2026 21:27

@XenoBitch I see you time and time again on threads such as these being quite confrontational and defensive of those on benefits. Yet you seem completely incapable of any self-reflection or ability to see another perspective.

Newyearawaits · 11/05/2026 21:28

FinchiePink · 11/05/2026 14:55

You realise ~60% of welfare spending is on pensioners?

The £1 tickets for UC claimants barely moves the needle.

If you want to cut the welfare spending in any meaningful way, you need to look at pensioners, not working age benefits.

Remember that the old age pension isn't a benefit

Cherry8809 · 11/05/2026 21:28

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:26

How do you know she keeps having kids she can not afford?

Is she providing for them with or without the help of government assistance?

PropertyD · 11/05/2026 21:28

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:18

The system allows it. So again, what is she doing wrong?

The system shouldn’t allow it I am afraid. People should not be able to work time, claim benefits that then give them the same income as someone working full time.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:28

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:26

No. I hope it will go to provide all of society better public services. You seem so against the common good. So uncaring. Such a ‘Gimmie, Gimmie, gimme’ attitude.

Ihave no idea what you are on about. I think the gimmie thing is a comedy show

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:29

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:25

Yes I am. You want to learn, I am teaching you. Learning doesn’t end when you leave school.

Maybe you should learn empathy or do you think when I left school I was suddenly healed and could just redo my education again. Do you understand what a rare congenital progressive condition means. You need to realise how lucky you where to be able to get a full education, to be able to go to uni to be able to work a full time job. Not everyone is this lucky

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:29

PropertyD · 11/05/2026 21:28

The system shouldn’t allow it I am afraid. People should not be able to work time, claim benefits that then give them the same income as someone working full time.

But it does allow it.
So what do you or anyone really gain by attacking someone who is claiming what she is entitled to within the rules.
She is not committing fraud.
Is your life that lacking that you need to attack people at the bottom?

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:30

Cherry8809 · 11/05/2026 21:28

Is she providing for them with or without the help of government assistance?

I didn't provide for my children without government assistance. I worked full time as a teacher. Am I also a scrounger? Or did I do the best with what I had when my ex decided he no longer had any use for me?

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:32

GimmieABreakOr3 · 11/05/2026 21:27

@XenoBitch I see you time and time again on threads such as these being quite confrontational and defensive of those on benefits. Yet you seem completely incapable of any self-reflection or ability to see another perspective.

I see people on benefit getting attacked time and time again on here.

PropertyD · 11/05/2026 21:32

It will be WITH government assistance. How many women work full time or even part time whilst having 3-4 kids.

And those women often choose very unwisely regarding the men they have them with and always seen to ‘fall’ pregnant, not planned etc. I stopped after 2 because we didnt want more.

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 21:32

NoUsernameAvailableAgain · 11/05/2026 21:24

Just because the system allows it doesn’t make it right it just makes it legal. The system is fucked and the people who proudly play it are morally bankrupt. The welfare system should be there for people who NEED it not for people who make that choice to sit on their arses.

I hardly sit on my arse 😂

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:32

Cherry8809 · 11/05/2026 21:28

Is she providing for them with or without the help of government assistance?

Did you provide for your kids without government assistance? Did you use private healthcare, send your children to private school

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:32

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:24

told you above, I used to earn £1.2k a month as a single parent in my first year of teaching. My childcare was £800 plus. HOw do you propose my mortgage was also paid, my car kept on the road and insured, food put on the table, utilities paid for etc. etc on only £400 a month?

You fully deserve benefits because you are doing your best. The person being commented on isn’t. They are choosing to only work 16 hours as they know the taxpayer will pick up the tab for the rest.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:33

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:32

Did you provide for your kids without government assistance? Did you use private healthcare, send your children to private school

I bet they used the NHS to give birth to them!

BettyCrockersLocker · 11/05/2026 21:33

feellikeanalien · 11/05/2026 21:14

So who will be doing all these ever so necessary NMW jobs? Bin men, nursery workers, shop workers,care workers. The people who enable all those well paid professionals to go to work.

Not everyone is capable of going to uni and I am getting fed up of people being defined by how much they earn.

People in NMW jobs are also contributors to society.

And as we discovered during covid, often the most essential contributors to society.

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:33

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:32

I see people on benefit getting attacked time and time again on here.

Edited

Some clearly deserve it, others clearly don’t.

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:34

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:33

Some clearly deserve it, others clearly don’t.

And who gets to decide that? You

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:34

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:32

You fully deserve benefits because you are doing your best. The person being commented on isn’t. They are choosing to only work 16 hours as they know the taxpayer will pick up the tab for the rest.

how do you know what that poster is choosing to do? seriously? what do you know of her life and circumstances? where she lives, the transport available, the jobs available, the availability of suitable childcare, her support network....?

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:34

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:33

Some clearly deserve it, others clearly don’t.

No, no one deserves to get attacked for their financial position on here.

No one knows the 100% of someone else's circumstances.

If you get your kicks from having a go at someone on benefits, then get a new hobby.

PropertyD · 11/05/2026 21:35

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:32

Did you provide for your kids without government assistance? Did you use private healthcare, send your children to private school

I did. We had private medical cover and private schools. No child benefit either and spent £££ on childcare to enable us to work full time.

Nope - didn’t go to university either. A couple of A levels but nothing to write home about. Chose my partner carefully and didn’t get married until mid 30’s.

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 21:35

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:32

You fully deserve benefits because you are doing your best. The person being commented on isn’t. They are choosing to only work 16 hours as they know the taxpayer will pick up the tab for the rest.

I am doing my absolute best

NoUsernameAvailableAgain · 11/05/2026 21:35

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:34

how do you know what that poster is choosing to do? seriously? what do you know of her life and circumstances? where she lives, the transport available, the jobs available, the availability of suitable childcare, her support network....?

The poster has already said she is choosing to work minimum hours as she won’t miss anything with her children. She’s very proud of abusing the system.

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:36

PropertyD · 11/05/2026 21:35

I did. We had private medical cover and private schools. No child benefit either and spent £££ on childcare to enable us to work full time.

Nope - didn’t go to university either. A couple of A levels but nothing to write home about. Chose my partner carefully and didn’t get married until mid 30’s.

So you basically married someone who was rich

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