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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

OP posts:
Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:19

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:10

My cousins grew up on a (very rough) council estate with a dad that was in and out of prison. They earn above minimum wage (one of them earns a great deal above minimum wage). Neither went to uni. Attitude is everything. A lot of people in this country just can’t be arsed. Well now we can’t be arsed to pay for them.

You really miss the point, don't you? When I first started teaching my take home was £1.2k a month and my childcare bill was over £800 for the same time period. Without tax credits, we wouldn't have been able to eat, or have utilities, or insurance, or a car. All stuff that is essential if I am to be able to get to work and do my job and what is generally expected of me. You take away benefits - or more specifically, UC and you will have literally hundreds of thousands of families struggling to get by. Making impossible decisions. Children not eating. Freezing cold in winter. Problems with adequate clothing and poorly maintained homes. That would have been a teacher of a shortage subject and her children out on the streets. How would you benefit from that? HOw would we, as a society, benefit from that?

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:19

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:14

She is claiming what she is entitled to.
And if she did not claim it, no one would be getting more money. That is not how it works.

What do you think happens to the money if she doesn’t claim it? Does it just vanish into thin air?

MoreThanOnePostcardFromTheEdge · 11/05/2026 21:20

Part of the idea of giving children help re benefits is that you help them now, society benefits later

Some of the young NEETs could work more I think. Benefits/ disability for young single people should be cut perhaps.

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:20

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:17

Can't be arsed i missed a lot of school due to being in and out of hospital please tell me how having a positive attitude would of changed that. Like i said previously people need to check their privelage just because you got a full education not everyone does.

I actually had a lot of time out of school due to mental health issues that resulted in a suicide attempt.

School is not the only way to learn.

It’s privilege by the way.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:20

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:19

What do you think happens to the money if she doesn’t claim it? Does it just vanish into thin air?

Do you think it will end up in your bank account?

Cherry8809 · 11/05/2026 21:20

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:08

Ah and here is the internalised misogyny.

Oh bore off, honestly.

People are sick to death of seeing people being rewarded for doing the absolute bare minimum.

Having kids shouldn’t be a career choice, unless you and your partner can afford for you to stay home without the government subsidising you.

They also shouldn’t be a free pass to work part time while getting top-ups, effectively putting some claimants in the same (or better) position as those that actually go to work full time and provide for their families.

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:21

ChickenBananaBanana · 11/05/2026 21:18

I'm a full time carer for my disabled husband. Neither of us work. Trust me, if you had to fund full time inpatient care for him rather than the £83 a week carers I get it would cost you a lot more of your tax.

This is what people don't grasp. Taking away things like disability benefit and carers allowance doesn't mean the person is no longer disabled it means the cost gets passed on and it would be significantly more. Social care and the nhs would just collapse

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:21

Cherry8809 · 11/05/2026 21:20

Oh bore off, honestly.

People are sick to death of seeing people being rewarded for doing the absolute bare minimum.

Having kids shouldn’t be a career choice, unless you and your partner can afford for you to stay home without the government subsidising you.

They also shouldn’t be a free pass to work part time while getting top-ups, effectively putting some claimants in the same (or better) position as those that actually go to work full time and provide for their families.

PP is a single mum. So no partner.

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:22

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:17

How do you reduce the welfare bill without plunging people into poverty?

Err, making sure people work full time?? The point we have been making to you for pages and pages and you haven’t really understood at all…

MrFluffyDogIsMyBestFriend · 11/05/2026 21:22

I get £30 a week PIP. That's my only income and I can't work.

One of my friends also gets £30 a week PIP and he has heart failure and uncontrolled diabetes.

Perhaps you'd like us to be euthanised? We could live in tents but then we'd just be in the way.

Plus tax credits were far far more generous.

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:22

NoUsernameAvailableAgain · 11/05/2026 21:17

Choosing to work minimal hours and claim loads of benefits when you can actually work more is wrong.

how do you know what this poster's choices actually are? how do you know she is able to find a job that she is able to get to/from and that childcare is available at the very point she increases her hours? You know for a fact her employer will give her whatever hours she needs to work full time and/or that a full time job is within easy grasp right now where she lives?

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:23

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:22

Err, making sure people work full time?? The point we have been making to you for pages and pages and you haven’t really understood at all…

In what jobs? 2.6 jobseekers to every vacancy right now. And that is people who are healthy and seeking work.

Livelovebehappy · 11/05/2026 21:23

It does clearly need looking at. But it ain’t gonna happen under this government. And if the likes of Burnham or Raynor get in to replace Starmer before the next election, be prepared for it to increase even more. We need to get more people back to work full time to reduce their dependence on UC top ups. And that needs more affordable and available child care facilities to accommodate full time working. I understand mums with young children not being able to afford to work full time due to childcare affordability. We should remove that barrier.

GimmieABreakOr3 · 11/05/2026 21:23

Cherry8809 · 11/05/2026 21:20

Oh bore off, honestly.

People are sick to death of seeing people being rewarded for doing the absolute bare minimum.

Having kids shouldn’t be a career choice, unless you and your partner can afford for you to stay home without the government subsidising you.

They also shouldn’t be a free pass to work part time while getting top-ups, effectively putting some claimants in the same (or better) position as those that actually go to work full time and provide for their families.

This 100%

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:23

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:22

Err, making sure people work full time?? The point we have been making to you for pages and pages and you haven’t really understood at all…

Probably because they don’t work either…that’s why they can’t understand people working full time…

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:24

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:20

I actually had a lot of time out of school due to mental health issues that resulted in a suicide attempt.

School is not the only way to learn.

It’s privilege by the way.

Are you seriously pointing out a spelling mistake in a person who has just explained to you that they missed half their education due to being in and out of hospital for the whole of it im not talking about missing a few months im talking about missing months every year of schooling

NoUsernameAvailableAgain · 11/05/2026 21:24

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:18

The system allows it. So again, what is she doing wrong?

Just because the system allows it doesn’t make it right it just makes it legal. The system is fucked and the people who proudly play it are morally bankrupt. The welfare system should be there for people who NEED it not for people who make that choice to sit on their arses.

Whatalunatic · 11/05/2026 21:24

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:22

Err, making sure people work full time?? The point we have been making to you for pages and pages and you haven’t really understood at all…

told you above, I used to earn £1.2k a month as a single parent in my first year of teaching. My childcare was £800 plus. HOw do you propose my mortgage was also paid, my car kept on the road and insured, food put on the table, utilities paid for etc. etc on only £400 a month?

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:24

NoUsernameAvailableAgain · 11/05/2026 21:24

Just because the system allows it doesn’t make it right it just makes it legal. The system is fucked and the people who proudly play it are morally bankrupt. The welfare system should be there for people who NEED it not for people who make that choice to sit on their arses.

Then hate the game, not the player.

So many posts on here attacking someone who is doing nothing wrong.

Cherry8809 · 11/05/2026 21:25

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:21

PP is a single mum. So no partner.

I’m aware, and that’s my point.

If she can afford to support her kids while only working 16 hours, that’s great. If not, looks like she should get back to work and pick up some more hours.

Why people choose to keep having kids they can’t afford is beyond me.

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:25

youalright · 11/05/2026 21:24

Are you seriously pointing out a spelling mistake in a person who has just explained to you that they missed half their education due to being in and out of hospital for the whole of it im not talking about missing a few months im talking about missing months every year of schooling

Yes I am. You want to learn, I am teaching you. Learning doesn’t end when you leave school.

GimmieABreakOr3 · 11/05/2026 21:26

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:24

Then hate the game, not the player.

So many posts on here attacking someone who is doing nothing wrong.

That is such a ridiculous response… If more people took personal responsibility for themselves and their situations, we wouldn’t have such a welfare burden.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:26

Cherry8809 · 11/05/2026 21:25

I’m aware, and that’s my point.

If she can afford to support her kids while only working 16 hours, that’s great. If not, looks like she should get back to work and pick up some more hours.

Why people choose to keep having kids they can’t afford is beyond me.

How do you know she keeps having kids she can not afford?

Boohoo76 · 11/05/2026 21:26

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:24

Then hate the game, not the player.

So many posts on here attacking someone who is doing nothing wrong.

I hate both. Hope that clears things up.

Plugg · 11/05/2026 21:26

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 21:20

Do you think it will end up in your bank account?

No. I hope it will go to provide all of society better public services. You seem so against the common good. So uncaring. Such a ‘Gimmie, Gimmie, gimme’ attitude.

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