Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

[ThisDandyWriter]

I’ve just read Angela’s Raynor’s statement about why Labour did so badly and what they need to do to change….aibu to think SHE STILL DOESNT GET IT!! Nothing mentioned about welfare, nothing mentioned about immigration-these are 2 subjects most talked about as the reasons why people didn’t vote for Labour.
she might not like it-but id they want to stay in power, they MUST tackle these subjects and not just ignore them because they dint fit her narrative.

Exactly right. And where are Suella and Honest Bob now? Oh yeah, that's right. It is farcical isn't it?

Did you not know Nigel Farage is also antisemitic?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jan/07/nigel-farage-dismisses-racist-and-antisemitic-school-bullying-claims-as-made-up-fantasies

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2dny3r3vyo

https://antisemitism.org/tag/nigel-farage

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2026-05-09/ty-article/.premium/2-100-u-k-jews-sign-petition-against-nigel-farage-attending-antisemitism-rally/0000019e-0ad6-d4b4-a19e-5adfef920000

Labour will never understand economics, as a poster up thread said, socialism can never work, because as lovely as it sounds it’s just not how the majority of humans work.
I’ve said this previously and I’ll say it again; every labour government borrows heavily, every conservative governments tries to make up the deficit. If the previous labour government had stayed in power, they too would have to have made unpopular choices. This labour government have managed to go even further to fuck up the economy. It’s predictable and so boring, because next government in, will have no choice but to cut the welfare bill. Hitler got into power because economically Germany was broken, the people were suffering, and Hitler promised a Utopia to the German populace (okay I’m putting it in very simplistic terms) but all governments need to read the warnings. I don’t want reform in, but nor do I want to be ruled by a party driven by spite and envy (vat of private school fees), or a party that doesn’t understand how businesses work (labour are going to drive up inflation if they carry on with their current plans).
what I want is a common sense party which;
understand how economics work and encourage businesses
you need private investors and businesses to grow an economy but you also need the government to invest as well
you need sensible not punitive tax systems in place.
we need to tackle the problems within schools; teachers need more autonomy and a huge shake up of education, to make it accessible to all.
we need a zero tolerance approach to antisocial behaviour.
we need to invest in much better mental health support (it’s always been the poorer cousin to physical health and a backwater for investment into research)
we do need to tackle economic immigration.
we need to sort out our bloody roads out!!
we need politicians with integrity, who are willing to stick their head above the parapet, and make choices which not everyone will want or like.

Sir Kier is talking now. If he wasn’t reading from an autocue I would maybe have more empathy for him but my goodness what a rubbish PM we have. He just can’t take ownership for anything. Blame everyone but yourself and the electorate delivers the message loud and clear.

It was also up because they changed the rules to encourage it, and left the EU which helped manage it, so net net, I'd say they made it worse.

As an extremely paid well known representative of the BBC, there should be a reasonable expectation of impartiality. The fact that they managed to get around it on technical employment contract grounds does them no favours.

Also the BBC is neither right or left wing, despite some spikiness in the distribution of how that presents. I know people there who can confirm, they try very hard as an organisation to be as impartial as possible, and there are many people who spend most of their role worrying about whether they're managing it.

I’m guessing you don’t watch much BBC atm. Or have left wing views so can’t see the bias. The BBC have been caught lying and misrepresenting the truth on so many occasions it’s a joke and BBC ‘Verify’ is headed up by a woman who lied on her cv and struggles with spotting facts in front of her and understanding the law.

I know there are good people left in the BBC but they are mostly silenced by the ideologues in charge. I used to be a huge supporter of the BBC until I saw what they really were.

The fact that a proportion of voters shunned Labour because of their own racist views on immigration doesn’t mean that Labour should go down that road. I’ve always voted Labour but I certainly wouldn’t if they started adopting Reform policies.

Also, @CornishDaughteroftheDawn, @Philgooglemail is not comparing ‘the Holocaust’ (specifically, the Nazis’ extermination of 6 million European Jews) to Reform, but in fact comparing Hitler’s speeches to Farage’s speeches - and they’re oddly similar. I think Phil is absolutely right to point this out. What are your thoughts?

Keir? Or Kier? And why ‘Sir Kier’?

In fairness, Trump and Reform are doing the exact same thing - making loads of promises to the electorate that they have no hope of delivering. 'I will stop the war in Ukraine in one day.' 'We will stop the small boats.' And the fact that most of us do realise that these promises can't and won't be delivered is the reason people think Reform voters are stupid.

I think that's unfair. I think Farage has done a good job of pretending to be the party of the working class, by blaming all their woes on immigration, when it's obviously far more complex a picture than just that. And he doesn't actually give a shit about the working class. He's not working class himself and nor are the vast majority of the people (largely ex-Tories) he's recruiting into the party, so of course they're not going to care. His financial backers are millionaires or billionaires, which tells you everything you need to know about whose interests he's actually looking out for.

Being concerned about immigration, or being anti-immigration, is not racist.
It’s a valid political position.

@Havanananana why is she called Suella Bobblehead? Isn’t it… Braverman?

She sold her share of the property to her son and then used that money to buy her Brighton flat.

Who does that? My share of my house goes to my son in my will. I dont ask him to pay me for his 'share'.

And moving 300 miles away means she isnt going to be nesting with anyone

Labour have done things to tackle immigration, but folk don't think it's enough, they want it stopped completely which is lala land if they think that's good for the UK. Plus, there's some of us who still realise immigration isn't the huge problem in this country that our media bias tells it. They are not responsible for the cost of living, lack of housing, the NHS, schools, potholes, Putin/Trump etc.

You can't just create your own definition. You're conflating "fascism" and "authoritarianism". Fascism is far right authoritarianism, communism is far left authoritarianism. Reform are hard right and trying to emulate the MAGA trump regime. They are fascists (although currently trying hard to pretend they are not).

I am not actually a labour voter. I'm centrist in my views. I've only ever voted conservative or lib dem. But the prospect of reform getting in is terrifying to most normal and sensible people in the UK. Labour are making a mistake if they think moving further left will help. People want welfare reform, they want a tougher approach to illegal immigration and they want a sensible and fair approach to taxation. It's what most reform voters say they want but its also what most centrist voters want (done in a sensible and controlled way).

Not all reform voters are racist. But most racists vote reform.

Hahah he won’t be prime minister by the end of the week so who cares!

The irony is that net migration is down 69% under this government.

1, It was chronically high in part due to Hong Kong and Ukrainian refugees. It would have fallen whoever had been in charge.

2, People generally don't care about skilled workers coming here. They care about unskilled economic migrants abusing the asylum system.

er no, it came up in his court case -he was prolific apparently.

The problem is that the right and bloody Farage have done such a good job of embedding the 'everything is the fault of immigrants' into the national narrative than even left-leaning people are starting to believe it.

But if Reform get into government, they won't have any better shot at doing anything about it than the Conservatives or Labour. The law is the law. They can't start drowning people in the Channel, no matter how much they'd like to.

All of this. I voted Labour as I thought Keir was the best person to understand this. I follow UK fiscal research closely for my work. A few unpalatable things are true:

Benefits (esp sickness) are rising too fast to ever be affordable or a true reflection of the health of the nation.

The triple lock was ONLY MEANT TO BE TEMPORARY. It was designed to ‘catch up’ pensions to a higher rate after they weren’t inscreased for a while. That time has come to an end and it is hugely economically damaging to let it run.

Small business tax evasion is rife.

We cannot get more money through tax or borrowing, so cuts have to be made.

The NHS funding model is broken.

I expected Keir to remove disability benefits from spurious claimants. We cannot afford the endless waste of money here. We cannot afford for ‘depressed’ young adults to sit in their bedrooms playing computer games all day.

I expected Keir to drop the triple lock.

I expected Keir to ban certain businesses from dealing in cash. There is no reason why builders / nail bars / cleaners / gardeners should be allowed to take cash. Ban them from doing so and see the tax base increase.

I hoped Keir would look at realistic ways of improving NHS funding, via insurance like the do in the rest of Europe.

I had hoped Keir would get rid of the ridiculous marginal income tax rates by giving everyone child benefit and childcare hours and a personal allowance and increase income tax rates to pay for it. Also drop the vat registration threshold to £20k / year. These two policies would boost growth hugely.

He’s avoiding taking any big decisions to save the economy as he’s a gutless wimp and it’s so pathetic. Angela or Andy would be 100 x worse!

This. What happened to KS and his "We will smash the gangs" narrative.

Quite agree. The damage Farage has done with Brexit and now this and people still blooming fall for his lies. Brexit was a fail, hurt us in so many ways and people are ready for round 2.

I think Farage's views were made worse by the conservatives who then jumped on the immigration bandwagon, to blame all their mistakes on immigrants instead of admit they ran the country into the ground over their 14 years. I think that finally cemented it in many people's minds, awful. Pretty much everything in this country is because we've been run by inept, personally greedy and poisonous governments for years, not because of immigrants.

Keir could have put immigration to bed once and for all by following the lead of the Danish socialists who introduced strict rules to limit immigration to those who could best pay back into Danish society. They launched this with the chat that they were doing so to protect Danish public services for Danish citizens. Who could argue against that?

Do you really truly expect Labour to stop the folk on a boat in 2 years when nobody else has managed to even make a dent? While trying to undo the damage in the UK left by the cons and facing wars? OK.

If it were that easy, would've been done a long time ago.