Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

[ThisDandyWriter]

I’ve just read Angela’s Raynor’s statement about why Labour did so badly and what they need to do to change….aibu to think SHE STILL DOESNT GET IT!! Nothing mentioned about welfare, nothing mentioned about immigration-these are 2 subjects most talked about as the reasons why people didn’t vote for Labour.
she might not like it-but id they want to stay in power, they MUST tackle these subjects and not just ignore them because they dint fit her narrative.

I was talking about that to a friend of mine, her mum came over from Jamacia and she is anxious about it, not so much the threat of deportation at present but the fact that it is being openly discussed. Isn't Reclaim's slogan "one million must go" or something equally unpleasant. Wonder what they plan to do with people like me, born here with one white uk parent and one from India, chop me up perhaps?

Where did I say I liked him? I just pointed out that standing around with a pint and a fag is pretty normal whereas Rayner is an embarrassment. Not because of her accent or her class but because of her behaviour.

No one on here is applying a different standard to her because she’s a woman or because of her class. I’m not sure how many times we can say it to get the message through.

What do you think Farage is ‘really’ like if going to the pub and being ‘a man of the people’ is all an act? He looks like a pretty typical bloke to me?

Whoops got the wrong party, Reclaim was/is Laurence Fox's outfit and Lowe's is Restore, why do they all begin with "R" ?

No men round my way look or dress like Farage and I live in a reasonably large city. The only place I see men standing around with a drink and a fag is outside some of the pubs in town and they certainly aren't wearing yellow cords, Barbour waxed jackets and a flat cap. You defend him so I made the assumption that you liked him.

Yanbu and I think less of her now than before. It all just seems like a hatchet job on Starmer now to avenge her paying the price for her own hubris over taxes.

The tag line is 'millions must go'.

And they don't mean just illegal immigration. I believe they are very big on the low paid Boris wave and any non UK born person who has committed a crime.

I haven't looked into them admittedly, I have heard them mentioned as the thing we should be worried about coming hot on the heels of Reform. I've seen it mentioned in a shocking amount of online comments lately, mainly 'I only voted Reform because Restore wasn't running in my area'.

I'm not sure we should gloat over them potentially splitting the right wing vote, after all I was sure that was what would happen with Reform/Conservative... and look how that is going!

Hahaha - some people live outside cities you know.

@Zebedee999 oh yes the famous brown biggot comment !

Because people believed the lies.

We all know that change needs to happen. Think of it this way, if the Reform policies, that are a cut out from Trump's policies, really work, then why is the US in the shitter and the global economy failing?

Look it up. The standard of living in the US is going down big time. This must be what Reform voters want. The evidence is there for everyone to see. If people want to blindly believe something else, then that's going to be on them.

What do you mean by the ‘radical left’?

I know, right. It's like the definition of psychotic. Just because someone said it, or I said it, it must be true. If I say it often enough, then it's definitely true. Doesn't matter what the actual truth is. Good knows what these people's relationships look like.

You're making stuff up (or lieing as you would say).

US GDP in 2024 was 2.8% vs 1.1% for the UK
US GDP in 2025 was 2.1% vs 1.4% for the UK
US GDP forecast 2026 is 1.9-2.6% vs 0.6-1.1% for the UK

Looking at numbers alone it looks like Trump's economic policies deliver far better growth than Starmer's by a very long way. So if Reform's policies are simply a copy of Trump's as you assert the the evidence is that GDP growth wise Reform will do far better than Labour are.

I think many Trump voters aren’t aware of falling living standards in the US because they exclusively consume pro-Trump media and distrust any mainstream/legacy media. I spoke about this with a British relative who supports Trump (and Reform), doesn’t read any mainstream media and didn’t seem aware of falling living standards (and likely didn’t want to accept it).

Surely unless you’re a millionaire you don’t need the mainstream media to tell you living standards are falling? Because you’ll notice it with your own eyes

@ProudCat wasn’t talking about growth but living standards. It is true that living standards have gone down under Trump, as shown in a wide range of media sources:

https://www.epi.org/publication/47-ways-trump-has-made-life-less-affordable-in-his-first-year/

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/mar/14/americans-struggle-affordability-despite-trump-claims

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vqyl13rlo

Look at this: https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker/economy

GDP grew at 2.0% per year in Q1. Inflation is at 3.0%. The unemployment rate is 4.3%. The S&P 500 is up 22.3% since he took office.

Before Donald Trump’s tariffs, America had come tantalisingly close to vanquishing inflation. In April of last year annual inflation was 2.3%, just above the Federal Reserve’s target of 2%. After that it shot up, reaching 3% in September, then dipped to 2.7%. The annual rate fell to 2.4% in January. The conflict in Iran is expected to push up prices again.

Some Trump voters are refusing to accept it tbh.

How dare she be in a vest in a boat eh?! Put that woman in her place, now!

As a note, Nige's photo's are carefully curated media shots, she was photographed with a long lens on downtime and yet still judged.

The cult of Trump..

Got it in one.

Lol, yes, she was a shocker! She does hold some strange... views. House of Lords now isn't she? Good grief.

I think the Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom (as she was at the time) should have a modicum of dignity in public, yes.

She had access to the best media training available in the British government but still managed to do that.

She also had access to the best tax advisors in the country but look where that ended - I wonder if she’s paid us what she owes yet? It might seem to some that her behaviour and judgement is pretty poor. She is not remotely a good representative for our country.

Farage seems to have hypnotised the country to believe that all their problems are down to refugees in small boats. It simply isn't true. His worst nightmare would be another government dealing with the problem because he truly has nothing else to offer and he seems to be drunk on the idea of power. The councils where Reform won last time have had lots of problems. Many of the councillors have walked out because they were just names on paper - they didn't really want the job and they weren't community minded. All this nonsense about a Doge-style clean up of council waste was empty rhetoric - most of the council budget goes on social care, housing etc. There isn't enough money from central government so they are always broke. And the small boat problem became much worse after Brexit. As for flying out 1000s of asylum seekers every day - where does he think he is going to fly them to? You can't send people to a country that won't accept them.

I’m genuinely curious about what Farage do if he ever gets into government. I don’t get how he’d be any better than what we’ve had so far. He has no qualifications, 2 years’ experience as an MP and no particular talents or skills other than self-promotion and making off-colour jokes.

As for flying out 1000s of asylum seekers every day - where does he think he is going to fly them to? You can't send people to a country that won't accept them.

Exactly. He’ll face the same problem Suella Braverman did. She thought she cracked it with the Rwanda plan. Did she actually? Nope.

Modicum of dignity? She was on down time, I'd argue should be private but are you really comparing her dignity to someone who's said to have goose-stepped in his youth, sang Hitler Youth songs, said he thought Andrew Tate was an important role model for young men, has taken money and not declared it, lied on brexit campaigns, dodged stamp duty on his Clacton house, lied, lied some more... the list can continue but I guess none of that matters because he wears a suit.

Angela Rayner is a saint in comparison.