Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

[ThisDandyWriter]

I’ve just read Angela’s Raynor’s statement about why Labour did so badly and what they need to do to change….aibu to think SHE STILL DOESNT GET IT!! Nothing mentioned about welfare, nothing mentioned about immigration-these are 2 subjects most talked about as the reasons why people didn’t vote for Labour.
she might not like it-but id they want to stay in power, they MUST tackle these subjects and not just ignore them because they dint fit her narrative.

"nobody is abusing the system"? You must not have been keeping up with the news recently...

Two people arrested after BBC asylum investigation

Also, this "convert" tried to blow up a women's hospital when his asylum claim was rejected.

Liverpool Women's Hospital bomber had asylum grievance, police say - BBC News

Two things stand out in that report. The two who were caught were advisers giving spurious advice, QED it wasn't the asylum seekers trying to do it until they were advised to do so, and secondly, they've been caught and dealt with.

I heard one of the applicants interviewed, and he couldn't believe he was being advised to say certain things.

And yes, there will always be some who take the piss, but it isn't the majority.

No it isn’t! Finance is an industry - it means you work in the financial services sector. If you work in finance you work ostensibly is the banking sector but could be insurance or asset management. If you are an accountant you describe yourself as an accountant. 2 different things. You can be an accountant working in Finance but also working in industry!

and the ‘gambling’ you describe is the backbone of about 8% of GDP so pretty important. You might not like how Farage made his money but at the moment people like him are contributing a large amount to the economy.

Apart from most of your list being unproven allegations - the major difference here is that she was Deputy Prime Minister and he isn’t.

You also appear to have forgotten her getting trouble with HMRC not once but twice, lying in public, lying about politics to kids in a school, her thuggish outburst in the House of Commons etc etc.

She wasn’t even fit for office she held as her failure to pay tax due - ‘saint’ she is not.

Blair did not change the workers' rights barriers - the Eastern European countries joined the EU and as such their citizens received the right to work anywhere in the EU, including in the UK.

The anti-EU narrative was that alll of these foreign workers were keeping wages low, despite the legal obligation to be paid at least the minimum wage, and one of the Brexit supporters claims was that once these workers all buggered off back where they came from, wages and employment for the poor Brits would boom. Which was quickly proven to be nonsense.

Hundreds of thousands of Europeans left leaving the UK short of agricultural workers, lorry drivers, construction workers, factory workers and healthcare workers. Crops rotted in the fields, delivery times were extended, construction projects delayed - and instead of the British workers filling the gaps, the UK began sourcing labour from Nigeria, Nepal, Zimbabwe and Ukraine instead.
Wages didn't rise and one stick that the right-wing is now trying to beat Labour with is the increase in the minimum wage - necessary because businesses are never going to voluntarily increase wages. Remember too that the "Britannia Unchained" Conservatives and Reform want to abolish the minimum wage on the basis that in order to compete with the low-wage economies of the world, the UK employers need to be able to pay as little as possible. Welcome to Sweatshop Brexitannia - already in place in the fields of East Anglia and the textile factories of the East Midlands, and coming soon to a town near you.

Okay, so we've gone from "nobody is abusing the system" to "it isn't the majority", so I've proved my point.

Lots of companies would volunteer to pay their employees more. I work at one of them. We sat and went through all the finances working out how we could do the annual rises. We couldn’t though. Why? Business rates increased by £10k. That was on top of the extra % on Ni a couple of years ago. All our potential pay rises got absorbed into extra government tax. Had that council tax bill not come in we would have paid that to our employees. Gutting honestly. I know people on mumsnet think that businesses are the bogeymen and the fat cats are creaming off the profits but in my limited experience in a lot of small businesses, most want to pay their employees well and employ lots of people but the grind of every increasing taxes mean it hasn’t been possible for a while. Allowing lower wages for some employees would mean we could employ more young people to gain experience. At the moment we have 1 when a few years ago we’d have had 3/4.

@Havanananana I was very into this subject at the time and it all came out in many exposes

It's fine. I get it. You're ok with any shit as long as the shit wears a suit.

You also appear to have forgotten her getting trouble with HMRC not once but twice, lying in public, lying about politics to kids in a school, her thuggish outburst in the House of Commons etc etc.

What did she say to kids in a school? And she didn’t lie to HMRC twice.

Your business may be decent, a heck of a lot are not. Business are there to make a profit and the bigger the profit the happier they are.

Many companies offer zero hour contracts, min wage for pretty much all of the hospitality sector, no pay rises for years for many companies (my partner for example works at a well-to-do company that turns over millions and no pay rise for 6 years for any of the staff).

While I agree it is getting difficult for businesses, businesses don't value their workers, these issues were happening before Labour came into power.

Could I politely suggest that you read up a bit more on topics before you make such confident but incorrect assertions? You’ve done it several times now. And if you want to quote something I’ve said you can put an asterisk directly at the beginning and end of the text you are quoting to make it bold.

She’s had issues with not paying the correct stamp duty in her flat in Hove and a capital gains tax issue on her properties in Stockport. Despite having access to the best tax advice there is. We have to ask if it is deliberate fraud or unbelievable incompetence?

She also visited a school and was filmed lying about Reform policies to children which breaks the law in political impartiality and non partisan requirements in schools.

spectator.com/article/the-angela-rayner-tax-row-deepens/

Confident but incorrect assumptions is something of a pattern on here lately.

What confident but incorrect assertions did you make? I asked questions and didn’t make any assertions.

Oh, and she hasn’t lied to HMRC twice - only once. She didn’t lie about the CGT issue. And both are allegations anyway.

And you’ve not said anything to me before about quoting posts?

She also didn’t lie about Reform policies.

Before you come on here with these statements, perhaps do some research yourself.

Yes, from @CornishDaughteroftheDawn. Her confidence is inversely linked to her correctness and intelligence.

So US inflation is 3% on your figures, UK is 3.3%. US unemployment is 4.3% according to your figures, UK is 4.9%

So again Trump's US is doing better than Labour's Britain. So again if Reform only do what Trump is doing economically then we would be better off than under Labour.

@ProudCat was saying Reform would just copy Trump's policies. In reality the numbers show we'd be better off than under the Labour government if that happened.

@ProudCat said living standards had gone down in the USA under Trump. You accused her of ‘lieing’ (it’s ‘lying’, btw) and ‘making stuff up’. But she was absolutely correct. Meanwhile, you look terribly uninformed.

The USA is probably doing better than the UK (not Britain, which is a different thing). But that’s not what @ProudCat was referring to?

But you are missing the point. Businesses have been relying on those sort of contracts as they can’t afford to take on lots of employees and have them sitting around not doing anything when not needed. They simply would go out of business. Paying employees for when they are actually working and have flexibility to do meant that the business can function. Now is that fair to workers? Not all but for many it is a practical way to operate their business. There will always be exploitative businesses but having worked on the ground for a while now, most do not operate like that. Many owners don’t even take a large salary themselves. I know one who lived of minimum wage trying to get the business off the ground. The fact is the minimum wage, whilst good for workers mean that businesses will look for ways to only pay for what they need. In the business I work in currently, we have just let a few people go and moved a couple to part time as they weren’t being fully utilized. Hard choices but with customers struggling themselves it is tough out there. If business rates and Ni were reduced it would honestly be transformative right now.

If you take every word literally, then yes, you got me. For the more sensible debate, it is such a low number who take the piss, it isn't worth mentioning. In fact, it is similar to the fact that overall, small boat crossings are fairly insignificant in the great scheme of things, but the focus is also disproportionately on them.

I guess this is why Reform are doing so well as they are directing focus to areas that don't need focus in order to tap in to certain traits, whereas solving the issues of the country really requires focus on more important areas.

@Havanananana ”The anti-EU narrative was that all of these foreign workers were keeping wages low, despite the legal obligation to be paid at least the minimum wage”

It certainly did keep wages low. Why give a pay rise to bricklayers when there are loads from Eastern Europe happy to undercut local wages?
Same with factory workers.

I asked questions and didn’t make any assertions.

You literally said this:

And she didn’t lie to HMRC twice.

That is an assertion. And if you actually read what I said I didn’t mention lying to HMRC. You also made that up.

She didn’t lie about the CGT issue. And both are allegations anyway.

So she is just paying £40,000 in stamp duty owing out of the goodness of her heart and resigned as Deputy PM for giggles? You didn’t even know about the CGT issue just now, how are you now so confident that she did nothing wrong?

She also didn’t lie about Reform policies.

How do you know? Have you watched the video I’m talking about? Do you even know which video I’m talking about?

Before you come on here with these statements, perhaps do some research yourself.

I did do the research, that’s why I made the statements 🤷‍♀️ from your previous posts you obviously haven’t had a chance to read up on many current issues - I’m just giving you the facts.

It wasn't a soundbite, it's a working policy that will take time bear fruition :

https://labour.org.uk/delivering/secure-borders/

However, small boat crossings down 36% on this time last year.

As for the France thing :

" A deal with France over migrants would likely be more effective without Brexit because the UK would still have access to the Dublin Regulation, a comprehensive EU mechanism for returning asylum seekers to the first safe country they entered. Post-Brexit, the UK is no longer part of this system, creating a legal and logistical vacuum for returning migrants who cross the Channel "

So, pretty correct from a lot of peoples views.

That's from a simple internet search, which you could have done yourself.

Why are you so focused on Angela Rayner? It’s looking a bit concerning tbh. Almost verging on obsessive. Is she your local MP? Did you go to school with her or something, and you’re now jealous she’s very wealthy and successful whilst you’re just scraping by? Is that it?

it's about correcting people when they are wrong. You were wrong in your assumptions, and it's up to you whether you update your priors or continue to bury your head in the sand.

50,000 people entering the country illegally each year is not "insignificant in the great scheme of things". The UK is currently receiving 100k asylum applications each year. On average, each person granted asylum cost the UK taxpayer an estimated £400k. None of these numbers can realistically be described as "insignificant".