Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

[ThisDandyWriter]

I’ve just read Angela’s Raynor’s statement about why Labour did so badly and what they need to do to change….aibu to think SHE STILL DOESNT GET IT!! Nothing mentioned about welfare, nothing mentioned about immigration-these are 2 subjects most talked about as the reasons why people didn’t vote for Labour.
she might not like it-but id they want to stay in power, they MUST tackle these subjects and not just ignore them because they dint fit her narrative.

Exactly this. Reform aren't pretending that they or their voters would like a detention centre on their doorstep. They are pretty honest and open about this.

Conversely Green voters have ostensibly voted for open borders. This means they shouldn't have a problem with these centres being close to them.

Surely this solution works best for everyone. Giving everyone a slice of what they have voted for?

Were you this angry about immigration when it flared massively under Boris? Or when the Tories closed down processing centres and hence started the ridiculous hotel stays for immigrants because of the year-long wait for processing?

Because, IMO, what Labour REALLY need to deal with is the SM smearing campaign that puts ALL OF THIS at their door.

Immigration figures have NOT worsened under this government BUT that's not the story we're all hearing!

Lots of people claim that but we’ve got 5 million unemployed. That is the resource government should be looking to utilise, not importing foreign workers to ‘wipe bums’ as Zack Polanski so offensively put it.

People were also extremely angry about immigration under the Tories.

https://yougov.com/en-gb/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-country

I don't think people who have lost faith in Labour's ability to deal with immigration effectively are defecting to the Tories. They have little faith in them too.

Ive never seen something more classist on here in my life.

"Stay in your lane council estate girl. Youre fine to complain to about bin collections but leave the big stuff to the 'educated'c

😂Then the former Conservative ministers can get their old positions back! 😱

Net migration is mostly down because students and care workers can no longer bring dependents and the salary for spouses is much higher

Your dishonesty is quite shameless.

This is the actual proposal:

Key Details of the Policy Proposal:
Targeted Assets: Officials indicated that high-value assets such as cars, e-bikes, and significant amounts of cash or gold (e.g., "a bag full of gold rings") could be seized.
Exemptions: Mahmood clarified that items of high sentimental value, specifically wedding rings, would not be confiscated.

Mahmood insisted asylum seekers would not have any items of sentimental value, such as wedding rings, taken away.
However, she said individuals with a "flashy Rolex" watch, e-bike, car or other high-value assets "should make a contribution" towards the cost of their stay.
She gave the example of an asylum seeker who was being given £800 a month by his family and had bought an Audi.
"He was not required under any of our rules to contribute towards the cost of his asylum accommodation," Mahmood said.

She was also proposing to pay failed asylum seekers to leave the country instead of just putting them in a plane (a ludicrous plan in my mind)

Whereas Hitler stripped his victims of their homes, artworks, gold teeth, personal jewellery and even hair on his route to genocide.

Your dishonest and repeated attempts to draw a parallel are now getting obscene.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj41r4l0v9jo?app-referrer=deep-link

What about the rape of a young woman on Brighton beach by 3 asylum seekers? That’s just the most recent example I can think of.
you seem to be saying you’ve not come across evidence of lots of things, but many of these incidents are reported fairly regularly in the mainstream press.

Surely this solution works best for everyone. Giving everyone a slice of what they have voted for?

Not with FPTP. Constituency A votes Reform:Green 49%:51% so gets a detention centre but constituency B votes Reform:Green 51%:49% doesn't. The 49% of the electorate who voted for Reform UK Party Ltd in constituency A won't be very chuffed.

Unless you have done a house to house survey of all residents you literally have no idea of their views.

Some vocal groups on Facebook is not evidence of the thinking of the majority.

Maybe they could work in descending order, building detention centres first in those areas with the largest Green majority? Would this be fair?

It can never be fair. Public construction projects are often given to constituencies as a usual part of pork barrel politics e.g. the Humber bridge but punishing constituencies for not voting for Reform UK Party Ltd by constructing prisons is a very novel disincentive & eminently subject to judicial review.

It’s nothing to do with her background or education.

I don’t care about that but like PP, we listen to what comes out of her mouth now and it’s often tripe.

She behaves in a thuggish manner with little self control and would be an embarrassment to us on a world stage because of that. Nothing else.

Except maybe that awful picture of her vaping in a rubber dinghy.

Where did I say I would "be happy to have one"? I said that I live in an area with a high number of immigrants and that this was not an issue for me in response to your assertion that I saw living alongside immigrants as a punishment. These proposed centres are being touted by Reform as a negative thing hence the intention to put them in non Reform supporting areas. Aside from the fact that this won't happen or if it does it will be a very much watered down version . I mentioned this whole thing because I feel it is a good example of the negativity of Reform, What are their plans for education, for the NHS, how are they intending to address the housing crisis, student loans, the terrible pollution of our waterways, the ever increasing cost of food and fuel? The country is in a real mess and I fail to see how it is all caused by the small boats.

Why should she talk about issues that are not actually going to make people's lives better? And issues she doesn't believe in. The media hype and rhetoric from Reform has made those things into big issues.
For the record though immigration is falling and the UK may actually have negative net migration by next year.
And the welfare bill is also reducing. But if we want to live in a caring society where vulnerable people are supported then we have to accept that welfare costs will always be high. Incidentally over half of the welfare bill goes on pensioners either through the state pension or pension credit with an aging population that isn't going to get smaller and almost 39% of benefits go to those in work.

Also to note more people voted for progressive parties than voted for Reform.

Whereas Farage with his pint and his ciggie is a class act?

They're not prisons though. They are centres to hold migrants whilst their claims are being processed. This is a very different prospect and there is clearly a significant proportion of Green voters that do not view asylum seekers or other kinds of immigrants as intrinsically 'bad' people to have around the lock community. This is hugely different to prisoners.

Don’t worry about that, with his track record he won’t show up for anything!

Farage is a big smoker. I am sure he could have been pictured in many scenarios looking less than “politician”. Have you ever wondered why the media presents a working class woman in that way and no one else? Everything you have said suggests it is all about her background too.

Where did I say that? This thread is about Angela Rayner - feel free to start one about Farage if you’re that interested.

It’s nothing to do with what the media presents her as - I listen to what she says and look at her behaviour. And it’s not good.

What has Nigel Farage smoking got to do with Angela? I’m quite sure he hasn’t been photographed in his undies floating around in a rubber dinghy sucking on a vape.

They are prisons & it's a quite extraordinary proposal that constituencies should be punished for electing a Green MP. A constituency with a 51%:49% Reform:Green vote won't get a migrant prison but a constituency with a 49%:51% Reform:Green vote will. A constituency could elect a Green on just 30% of the vote with the rest split Labour:LibDemReform 20%:21%:29% so even if 70% of the electorate vote against the Greens they would still get a migrant prison.

What is wrong with a temporary ‘prison’ to process people who have arrived whilst it is established who they are? I find it absolutely baffling that public safety is not put ahead of everything. No one should be allowed to turn up, often undocumented, and allowed to freely roam a community. I am actually appalled this has been allowed to continue for so long.

They are not prisons. This is a matter of fact not of opinion.

Maybe Reform would only build the centres where the Greens have a large majority. This would undermine your argument somewhat.