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Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

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ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 08:08

I’ve just read Angela’s Raynor’s statement about why Labour did so badly and what they need to do to change….aibu to think SHE STILL DOESNT GET IT!! Nothing mentioned about welfare, nothing mentioned about immigration-these are 2 subjects most talked about as the reasons why people didn’t vote for Labour.
she might not like it-but id they want to stay in power, they MUST tackle these subjects and not just ignore them because they dint fit her narrative.

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ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 11:31

Happyjoe · 11/05/2026 10:52

Urm, did he say he would smash the gangs in a week of being in power? 2 weeks? A month? Did he give a timescale? Or are you just wanting instant gratification, tiktok style?

Lol over lies to get into power. That's every party, every manifesto. I do hope you're as scathing and unreasonable when Reforms promises turn out to be lies.

we are nearly 2 years in though…….

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/05/2026 11:37

Overtheatlantic · 11/05/2026 08:15

I’m not sure she’s capable of understanding the wider picture because she is very much a product of her upbringing and circumstances, without the intellectual curiosity to further inform her beliefs. She’s a local politician but not a global leader.

Exactly this

Part of me would almost like to see her as PM just for the amusement value, but then I remember what her self-perpetuated gobshite image would do to us on the world stage and crush the thought down

The unions seem quite keen on her though, so how that'll play out is anyone's guess

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 11/05/2026 11:41

Thefastandthecurious5 · 11/05/2026 10:25

Also, @CornishDaughteroftheDawn, @Philgooglemail is not comparing ‘the Holocaust’ (specifically, the Nazis’ extermination of 6 million European Jews) to Reform, but in fact comparing Hitler’s speeches to Farage’s speeches - and they’re oddly similar. I think Phil is absolutely right to point this out. What are your thoughts?

Funnily enough Keir Starmer has also used generalised opposition rhetoric in public but neither Starmer nor Farage are actually Hitler and intending to rouse the country to exterminate all Jews.

So stop with your desperate accusations and comparisons that minimise the evil of Hitler. Elected representatives of the Green Party have a far more hostile attitude towards the Jews so why don’t you scrutinise them if you’re so bothered?

"The assessment will show that Britain is broke and broken - revealing the mess that populist politics has made of the economy and public services," a statement issued by Prime Minister Keir Starmer's office said.

(I cba to look for any more as the internet has gone mad with Starmer’s desperate attempt to save his own skin)

Thefastandthecurious5 · 11/05/2026 11:42

WittyTaupeFox · 11/05/2026 10:30

Hahah he won’t be prime minister by the end of the week so who cares!

Do you not want to at least get his name right out of basic human decency? You’re being unnecessarily rude.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/05/2026 11:42

These are the two kinds of Labour voters the self righteous rich and the working classes. Unless this integration/immigration issue is cracked down on Labour will lose the working class vote because they are the ones very much affected

They've already lost much of their "working class" vote, @Whysnothingsimple, as seen in what's happened in their more traditional areas such as Yorkshire which has just been mentioned

Trouble is these are the very people who built this country and still keep it running, but Labour are no longer interested in real work or building things unless it's for for their very narrow preferred demographic

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 11/05/2026 11:44

onlyoneoftheregimentinstep · 11/05/2026 10:25

The fact that a proportion of voters shunned Labour because of their own racist views on immigration doesn’t mean that Labour should go down that road. I’ve always voted Labour but I certainly wouldn’t if they started adopting Reform policies.

So Labour voters are also racist? Interesting take.

Nanny0gg · 11/05/2026 11:44

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 08:24

You believe that. I don't.

Why do you think Reform did so well then? (even though immigration is nothing to do with local councils)

Abhannmor · 11/05/2026 11:44

I'm not a Starmer fan , he's a bit Tory lite for me. But ...sjnce he has nothing to lose he should prioritise one thing namely Housing. Go for it seriously. He is deeply unpopular and even if he found a cure for cancer they media would still loathe him. So he may as well leave some legacy. Same goes for whoever succeeds him , assuming anyone wants the poisoned chalice.

Fwiw I think the Tories themselves will have a modest revival. As it becomes clearer that Reform is a policy void. Does Farage want to reopen the coal mines and invest in British industry or does he want to flog everything to foreign companies like Palantir - including the NHS? He is on record with both ideas. He can't have a 'sweetheart press' forever. Even useless hacks like Kuennsberg, Preston and Nick Robinson may have to ask him hard questions eventually.

Thefastandthecurious5 · 11/05/2026 11:46

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 11/05/2026 11:41

Funnily enough Keir Starmer has also used generalised opposition rhetoric in public but neither Starmer nor Farage are actually Hitler and intending to rouse the country to exterminate all Jews.

So stop with your desperate accusations and comparisons that minimise the evil of Hitler. Elected representatives of the Green Party have a far more hostile attitude towards the Jews so why don’t you scrutinise them if you’re so bothered?

"The assessment will show that Britain is broke and broken - revealing the mess that populist politics has made of the economy and public services," a statement issued by Prime Minister Keir Starmer's office said.

(I cba to look for any more as the internet has gone mad with Starmer’s desperate attempt to save his own skin)

Let’s focus on the point: Farage’s proven antisemitism and Reform’s proven track record of using language about taking our country back and using dehumanising language about migrants. This does not minimise the evil of Hitler. It makes Hitler’s evil and Farage’s intentions extremely clear.

Thefastandthecurious5 · 11/05/2026 11:50

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 11/05/2026 11:44

So Labour voters are also racist? Interesting take.

Some Labour voters probably are racist, yes.

And yes, Shabana Mahmood (Labour Home Secretary) has discussed some migration policies which fit the definition of racism and are not dissimilar to Nazi Germany’s policies. I am not minimising the evil of Nazi Germany. I am showing, though, how easy it is for political parties to have similar rhetoric and policies.

Thefastandthecurious5 · 11/05/2026 11:50

Abhannmor · 11/05/2026 11:44

I'm not a Starmer fan , he's a bit Tory lite for me. But ...sjnce he has nothing to lose he should prioritise one thing namely Housing. Go for it seriously. He is deeply unpopular and even if he found a cure for cancer they media would still loathe him. So he may as well leave some legacy. Same goes for whoever succeeds him , assuming anyone wants the poisoned chalice.

Fwiw I think the Tories themselves will have a modest revival. As it becomes clearer that Reform is a policy void. Does Farage want to reopen the coal mines and invest in British industry or does he want to flog everything to foreign companies like Palantir - including the NHS? He is on record with both ideas. He can't have a 'sweetheart press' forever. Even useless hacks like Kuennsberg, Preston and Nick Robinson may have to ask him hard questions eventually.

Who’s Preston?

Komints · 11/05/2026 11:52

It got lost a bit earlier, but for those who want immigration to come down.
Guess what...

Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.
BananaPeels · 11/05/2026 11:53

Thefastandthecurious5 · 11/05/2026 11:50

Some Labour voters probably are racist, yes.

And yes, Shabana Mahmood (Labour Home Secretary) has discussed some migration policies which fit the definition of racism and are not dissimilar to Nazi Germany’s policies. I am not minimising the evil of Nazi Germany. I am showing, though, how easy it is for political parties to have similar rhetoric and policies.

Which exactly? If the government decided tomorrow that it was banning all immigration completely I wouldn’t see that as a racist policy. It would simply be economic.

Nanny0gg · 11/05/2026 11:53

Firetreev · 11/05/2026 09:33

For every 10 voter Labour lose to Reform, they're losing 16 to the Greens.

Who are even more terrifying

Jenkibuble · 11/05/2026 11:54

SpiceGirlsNeedAComeBack · 11/05/2026 08:20

This always happens. We get rid of a PM and replace with someone worse.
We don’t need far left politics - it’s very worrying if she gets made PM. Not to mention wasn’t she done for tax evasion not long ago? Why is she allowed to stand for PM?

Unsure about tax evasion, but she was up to some dodgy stuff with her house I think!

Itchthescratch · 11/05/2026 12:00

Thefastandthecurious5 · 11/05/2026 11:50

Some Labour voters probably are racist, yes.

And yes, Shabana Mahmood (Labour Home Secretary) has discussed some migration policies which fit the definition of racism and are not dissimilar to Nazi Germany’s policies. I am not minimising the evil of Nazi Germany. I am showing, though, how easy it is for political parties to have similar rhetoric and policies.

Ah, a good bit of Reductio ad Hitlerum in action. Why compare with the Nazis when lots of modern day countries have similar policies in place?

Mangelwurzelfortea · 11/05/2026 12:02

BananaPeels · 11/05/2026 11:53

Which exactly? If the government decided tomorrow that it was banning all immigration completely I wouldn’t see that as a racist policy. It would simply be economic.

It would be stupid. We need some level of immigration. The fact that we've cut back on it while simultaneously increasing national minimum wage has absolutely destroyed retail and hospitality and is savaging the NHS.

FlyingApple · 11/05/2026 12:03

I don't even like labour but surely she's not preferred over Keir? She won't get more votes that's for sure. Is there no-one better to replace him? Is she the best talent that the Labour party has to offer? It's awful for all of us.

BananaPeels · 11/05/2026 12:05

Mangelwurzelfortea · 11/05/2026 12:02

It would be stupid. We need some level of immigration. The fact that we've cut back on it while simultaneously increasing national minimum wage has absolutely destroyed retail and hospitality and is savaging the NHS.

I don’t disagree But I think the actual number we need is tiny. I’m just saying that when the government tries to limit immigration, the racist line is constantly put forward. But it is nothing to do with race, it is purely economic. If we don’t need immigrants, we are not obligated to take them. Some people think there is a value judgement that if you don’t take people from the 4 corners of the world you are racist. It is not the case. As a country we should be allowed to set the criteria of immigration without there being a moral judgment attached to it.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 11/05/2026 12:05

What RaynEr would want to do, is to tax anyone with money beyond the just-about-managing level, and tax the businesses that provide the jobs. It’s in her socialist DNA.

And I have to agree with whoever said more or less that she’d be an embarrassment as PM on the world stage. And it’s not, repeat NOT, because she’s working class! John Major was working class, but he knew how to behave.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 11/05/2026 12:07

Whysnothingsimple · 11/05/2026 11:18

The thing is the term “immigration” is used to describe a much wider issue. It’s not just the numbers coming in it’s the erosion of our culture that actually people are most angry about. People who aren’t affected by it because they are either in very affluent or indigenous areas probably can’t understand what it’s like living in areas where it feels like British culture and language is being erased. If the only non- white British people they come across are highly integrated then they are probably thinking “what’s the problem?”

These are the two kinds of Labour voters the self righteous rich and the working classes. Unless this integration/immigration issue is cracked down on Labour will lose the working class vote because they are the ones very much affected.

Urgh. I live in a town that's 30% Muslim and I don't recognise what you're saying at all. Two cultures can exist quite peacefully side by side. It's not either/or.

A lot of the places that are most upset about immigration are the places where they haven't ever experienced it, ie up in Northumberland. They're personally untouched by it and that makes it the scary, unseen bogeyman.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/05/2026 12:08

ShizeItsWeegie · 11/05/2026 10:49

I have a friend that lives in DK (Brit married to a Dane)

She went to her GP and had carpal tunnel syndrome diagnosed (tentatively) on a Monday. On the Wednesday she got the electrical stimulation diagnostic test and on the Friday she had a call and was offered the surgery the following Tuesday. She has put the surgery off to the start of June for her own reasons.

Last year she found a breast lump and was seen the following day. Two days later she had a mammogram and needle biopsy and had a call the same day to say it was a fluid filled cyst that she could leave or have removed. She arranged to have it removed and this happened three weeks later.

The Danes are doing something right.

The Danes are doing something right.

What the Danes are doing right is raising enough tax to pay for decent public services.

Denmark has one of the highest tax-to-GDP ratios in the world, with total tax revenue equalling 43.4% of GDP in 2023 and estimated at 45.0%–45.8% for 2024-2025. This high tax burden funds extensive public services, including free education and healthcare.

By way of comparison the UK tax-to-GDP ratio is about 39%.

Thefastandthecurious5 · 11/05/2026 12:09

Itchthescratch · 11/05/2026 12:00

Ah, a good bit of Reductio ad Hitlerum in action. Why compare with the Nazis when lots of modern day countries have similar policies in place?

How is it minimising Nazi policies?

And which other countries have said anything - like Shabana Mahmood has - about confiscating asylum seekers’ jewellery when they come to the U.K. (which is horribly similar to the Nazis confiscating the jewellery and money of Jewish people when they were deported to concentration camps)?

https://www.ft.com/content/92ff5308-d657-4a2b-acd1-50e082921318?syn-25a6b1a6=1

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/18/shabana-mahmood-plan-to-seize-jewels-of-asylum-seekers-a-joke

Is Shabana Mahmood’s plan to seize the jewels of asylum seekers a joke? | Zoe Williams

The home secretary’s idea makes her sound so much like a cartoon villain that I initially assumed it couldn’t be true, writes Zoe Williams

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/18/shabana-mahmood-plan-to-seize-jewels-of-asylum-seekers-a-joke

Thefastandthecurious5 · 11/05/2026 12:09

Mangelwurzelfortea · 11/05/2026 12:02

It would be stupid. We need some level of immigration. The fact that we've cut back on it while simultaneously increasing national minimum wage has absolutely destroyed retail and hospitality and is savaging the NHS.

Exactly.

Thefastandthecurious5 · 11/05/2026 12:11

BananaPeels · 11/05/2026 11:53

Which exactly? If the government decided tomorrow that it was banning all immigration completely I wouldn’t see that as a racist policy. It would simply be economic.

Shabana Mahmood has made public comments about confiscating asylum seekers’ jewellery when they come to the U.K. (horribly similar to the Nazis confiscating the jewellery and money of Jewish people when they were deported to concentration camps):

https://www.ft.com/content/92ff5308-d657-4a2b-acd1-50e082921318?syn-25a6b1a6=1
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/18/shabana-mahmood-plan-to-seize-jewels-of-asylum-seekers-a-joke

Is Shabana Mahmood’s plan to seize the jewels of asylum seekers a joke? | Zoe Williams

The home secretary’s idea makes her sound so much like a cartoon villain that I initially assumed it couldn’t be true, writes Zoe Williams

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/18/shabana-mahmood-plan-to-seize-jewels-of-asylum-seekers-a-joke