Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

[ThisDandyWriter]

I’ve just read Angela’s Raynor’s statement about why Labour did so badly and what they need to do to change….aibu to think SHE STILL DOESNT GET IT!! Nothing mentioned about welfare, nothing mentioned about immigration-these are 2 subjects most talked about as the reasons why people didn’t vote for Labour.
she might not like it-but id they want to stay in power, they MUST tackle these subjects and not just ignore them because they dint fit her narrative.

Lol, hope you say the same about Farage and Tice.

It sounds like you're trying to silence the OP. Aren't Reform all about free speech?

No, they pay more.

Yes, people who live by those values will not be pleasant to share our country either

There is a reason why formerly peaceful and majority Christian Lebanon is now majority Muslim and synonymous with civil war and killing. The Lebanese can see what we are doing to ourselves and warning us how it will go. That’s what Rayner/Starmer need to listen to. It’s a matter of national importance.

Seriously??

‘OP’ did not make that disgusting comment.

You know that the right to free speech does not extend to making up defamatory lies?

Average basic rate pay 42% (20% here) and personal allowance is £5k-ish (£12k here). Highest rates 55-60%, 45% here, with marginal rates of 65%. It’s the basic rate tax payers that need to pay more here.

In what way am I racist?

Have you ever been to Birmingham, Luton, Bradford?

The Danes are significantly richer than us. The UK's GDP per capita is only 60% of the Danish figure. This means they can afford to pay more tax and still take home more money than us (well over $4k a month versus just over $3k a month for UK workers).

It's understandable why the UK population are against paying more tax when their standard of living and purchasing power is already much lower. There is simply less money in the pot in the first place to redistribute through taxes. It's a completely different proposition.

Defamatory? Well apart from Ben Habib saying people shouldn't be rescued from the Channel. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/24/dont-rescue-people-who-scupper-their-channel-boats-says-reform-uk-deputy

Not to mention all the people who vote Reform who put laughing emojis under every post on social media about migrants drowning in the Channel. A swift Google will find you several thousand of those.

Yes, he should be embarrassed. When we heard him say it, we looked at each other and laughed. I'm a nurse, DH is a cop. We both knew he was fantasizing but he's a barrister FFS.

Johnson lied - as in denying things that clearly had happened - and he was dishonest about Brexit. Either he never intended to adhere to the terms of the Brexit agreement or he had simply never read it.

Being unable to immediately deliver on a manifesto point is not the same as lying.

Your second point is interesting. If Starmer and Labour have "no power outside of the UK to smash gangs or do anything else [to stop illegal immigration]" doesn't the same logic apply to Farage? His two ex-Tory ministers, Braverman and Jenrick, already know this to be the case as they failed when they were the Home Secretary and Immigration Minister in the previous government. So by your own definition, is Farage lying - or is he just using "immigration" as a way of stirring up dissatisfaction?

The danish population is 6 million, the uk population is 70 million. It’s like comparing apples and oranges. The Uk population is far too large for the size of country which means we can’t be nimble to change things quickly as they can in Denmark.

You can’t state that someone is anti semitic based on the claims of a schoolboy who knew him 50 years ago. That is scraping the barrel but quite positive because it shows how little you actually have.

The thing is the term “immigration” is used to describe a much wider issue. It’s not just the numbers coming in it’s the erosion of our culture that actually people are most angry about. People who aren’t affected by it because they are either in very affluent or indigenous areas probably can’t understand what it’s like living in areas where it feels like British culture and language is being erased. If the only non- white British people they come across are highly integrated then they are probably thinking “what’s the problem?”

These are the two kinds of Labour voters the self righteous rich and the working classes. Unless this integration/immigration issue is cracked down on Labour will lose the working class vote because they are the ones very much affected.

I agree with all of your post and on this This labour government have managed to go even further to fuck up the economy.,

They to seem to be turbo charging the fuck up. Do they actually hate being in government and want to get out as quickly as possible so they can go back to carping at the Tories from the sidelines? I am bemused.

Farage - both almost certainly.

Send the reasons in a gift bag along with 2 Litres of White Lightning and 60 Lambert & Butler.

I completely agree. It is like comparing apples with oranges but there are always people that like to pretend that if we just taxed people more that our GDP per capita would miraculously jump, we would become richer and be able to afford all these lovely, well funded public services without painful sacrifices from the general population.

It's like a family on £60k comparing themselves to a family on £100k and wondering if they could ascertain a similar lifestyle through spending their money differently. Realistically something will always give when you don't have the same amount of money.

But surely you know that’s what social media says to roll out in its prepackaged anti Reform cut and paste kit (critical thinking not included)

Yes. That’s it condensed, isnt it?

I didn’t vote Labour because they U-turned on reforming winter fuel payments and 2-child benefit cap.

That’s the only reason I didn’t vote Labour. Nothing to do with immigration.

The strange thing about this is that the left wing are generally the most keen to appreciate the value of preserving cultures in other countries. If they heard about a load of westerners going over to some country and colonising it through immigration and then attempting to erase or completely change the indigenous culture then they would be the first to complain.

The left though seem completely blind to this when it's our own cultures and traditions that exist both nationally and locally.It isn't racist to want to preserve these things and worry when they are threatened by large scale immigration. Some areas near where I was born are now completely unrecognisable. We have lost an immense amount of working class tradition and culture that nobody important clearly thought had any value. It's a travesty.

We're moving BACK to UK because of tax and inheritance rules. Where I live you pay 50% on anything over 28k of earnings. Wouldn't even be able to fully own my own house or savings if dh died as dd would automatically inherit a share of both - and tax would be payable by both of us. On my OWN house and OWN joint account. I want to know where people are going where they are going to pay less tax?

Yes you absolutely can. Farage wasn't just anti Semitic to one schoolboy 50 years ago, he racially abused a significant number of them and they have gone on the record about this. He also sang Nazi songs, praised Hitler and went around making a hissing noise at Jewish classmates to put them in mind of a gas chamber.

If a Labour politician had spent their youth behaing in this abhorrent way we would, quite rightly, never hear the end of it.

The entire establishment swung into action to prevent Corbyn winning an election based on mostly spurious allegations of anti-Semitism, but with Farage somehow it doesn't matter?

Really?
Look at Labour in Yorkshire.
Never been anything but Labour wards- they are now Reform. Unheard of.
People are sick to death of immigration and ''asylum' seeking and government will fail to listen at its peril... whoever it may be.