AIBU to feel so weary of labour voters going on

[livingonstrawbs]

I think if people in real life knew I was saying this, they would be shocked or maybe not.

Reform are not my politics but I'm honestly so fed up of labour voting friends lamenting the rise of reform and blaming it all the greens and declaring everyone voting reform to be racist, stupid, ignorant.

Reform absolutely have some racist nutters but I do not believe that councils that were labour for more than 50 years turned reform because everyone became a racist overnight or is ok about racism.

Even saying yesterday that the rise of reform was down to failure of lab/conservative to do do anything other than maintain the status quo for many working class communities, let alone others, and the media to properly question, inform and hold to account farage was met with a barrage of hostility and false accusations. one person genuinely thinks this is all down to zack polanski and that farage has been questioned as hard as he has. Really?!?!

I should say by the way that I am a person of colour, was on free school meals, ended up going to Oxbridge and doing professionally well even if it's not lucrative. that's fine - those are all my choices. I'm miles better off than many other people and I know that. But i'm still very connected to the community i grew up in and see how working class people of all races etc without the same chances are living in immense poverty and the grind that is going on for them. Meanwhile, my very affluent labour voting friends seem to repeat 'labour is the best of a bad bunch.' for who, i say?? maybe for you. but honestly, when life is continualy shit, people do vote for change and will vote for reform or greens.

i'm just sick of being patronised and told i'm stupid, ignorant etc etc.

YANBU! i’m am ethnic minority person as well, reform isn’t my cup of tea but I completely understand why people have voted the way they have. I’ve been both skint and very middle class and I’m genuinely astounded sometimes at the middle class people I know, they are never going to have to live the lives of the people they look down on, make no genuine effort to empathise.

I think the fundamental problem is the Labour party as a whole are in one place and significant parts of the population are in a completely different place. People are basically just choosing the nuclear option now, they don’t trust any party to deliver what they said they would. Every party talks about working people yet their taxes rise and welfare has expanded, every party said they will control immigration and yet the pace of immigration rose. I’m not sure you can blame reform voters for thinking “fuck it, why not”.

I agree OP. Neither Labour or the Conservatives have addressed the concerns of people who are struggling. Labour has probably been worse because not only have they ignored their traditional working class voter base they have dismissed them as "right wing thugs". Rishi Sunak asking a homeless man if he'd considered a career in finance is consistent with the Conservative lie of meritocracy.

You are neither stupid or ignorant, you just have a more relevant experience than those who think they know better and will not compromise. The Labour Party and many supporters have been hate filled authoritarians for quite a few years now. Reform is the response to that and now the rise in the Greens popularity is a reaction to Reform. Essentially the middle failed and many voters are retreating to the extremes of the political spectrum in the hope of being heard.

Neither the Greens or Reform will provide solutions but until Labour ditch their holier than thou attitude we won't be able to have the difficult discussions that are necessary to work our way towards a broad consensus. At this point the Conservatives are irrelevant.

I am guilty here of using a word I normally
hate, but the Reform voters seem to be getting a little bit ‘snowflakey’ with their hurt feelings these days.

It’s a knee jerk thing with them. Like a glitch in the matrix. It’s their first, second, third, fourth.. hold on… it’s their ONLY response!

confirmation bias trap in action.

also can we stop accusing people you don’t agree with of being a member of so and so HQ. I’ve been accused of this and I am most certainly not. Given how the voting went yesterday there are quite a lot of genuine reform voters and enough people who may not have voted reform but are reasoned and non hysterical enough to actually have tried to form a more nuanced understanding of whats going on.

Also tbh reform aren’t making me feel like it’s the 1930’s the Greens are with the number of anti-semites it’s managed to attract. That shit is genuinely scary, the stuff some of their councillors have said would have had them hounded if they were white. It’s all quite extraordinary.

Reform is the party that attracts racists and many of their candidates are open about it.

If you are ok with that, then vote Reform

And it's not just those on the left who won't vote Reform and judge you for it.

@FOJN Labour might well be accurate thst their working class (or not working) voters are in fact right leaning and like the death penalty and no immigration. Look at the NE. Labour for decades, then Brexit and Boris, back to Labour and now Reform. It’s voting for the latest port offering a gilded future which simply won’t happen.

That’s an awful lot of people you have labelled - judging by yesterday’s results.

I am interested to know why so many people voted for Reform? Other than issues around immigration and benefits. This is a genuine question. I’m in NI and whoever you lot vote for in a future General Election are the people we’re stuck with too, despite our devolved government. I could, of course, look at Reform’s policies, but that still doesn’t tell me whether people rate them generally or whether they are voting based on a single policy. From across the Irish Sea, it all looks pretty unsettling to be honest.

Most of the Labour voting people I know who are vocal about it are very wealthy champagne socialists with more than one house, range rovers, multiple holidays, private education and healthcare etc.

They don’t know about, or want to be around, the working classes but it makes them feel better about themselves to see themselves as ‘socialist’ and ‘right on’.

Unfortunately the middle classes like them never have bear the impact of things like unfettered mass immigration or living in shit hole areas where nothing gets better EU or non EU, Tory or Labour. This is why when the frustrated working classes get told they are thick gammons for voting they way they do by ignorant affluent people, it just makes them double down even more.

Just so we are clear - are you saying I am a racist?

I am saying the politics of the Regotm party are racist politics and reminiscent of 1930s Germany.

Do you agree with racist policies? If so, you are racist. If not, don’t vote for them.

Ive always found labour voters to be very sore losers who throw big tantrums when they don’t get their way and just start slagging everyone else off 😂It’s certainly not a new thing.

I don’t vote reform, but I think we need to realise that a lot of people are and there must be a reason for that. People are desperately unhappy with the way Labour and the Tories have behaved in recent years. People want change.
Whether reform is the party to do that, well, that remains to be seen.

Please be clear.

I voted for Reform on Thursday.

Am I a racist in your view - a straight yes/no will suffice.

Isn’t this what some are saying doesn’t happen.

As a courtesy to you, I have reported this to MN.

The blanket accusation that all Reform supporters are either racists, or ‘racism fellow travellers’, whatever that means.

This labelling is completely unacceptable, and needs to be addressed.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a racist.

Not everyone who votes Reform is racist but racists will vote Reform

It's who you align yourself with.

And if this person really is a teacher, then it proves how our institutions have been captured by the far left. Indoctrinating children.

The first part of your statement is accurate, but the second part clearly cannot be.

Logically, there are racists in every party. Are there more within Reform? Entirely possible.

In order to vote Reform you have to be prepared to overlook the overt racism of some senior party officials. Hence “fellow traveller”. As in not personally a racist but prepared to ignore racism in others.

You’ve just done what the op said, to which you claimed wasn’t happening anywhere.

All of us, and I do mean all of us, have our cross to bear.

What I am never going to accept, however, is to be called racist, because I happen to vote for Reform.

Just as I would not label all Green supporters as anti-Semitic.