AIBU to feel so weary of labour voters going on

[livingonstrawbs]

I think if people in real life knew I was saying this, they would be shocked or maybe not.

Reform are not my politics but I'm honestly so fed up of labour voting friends lamenting the rise of reform and blaming it all the greens and declaring everyone voting reform to be racist, stupid, ignorant.

Reform absolutely have some racist nutters but I do not believe that councils that were labour for more than 50 years turned reform because everyone became a racist overnight or is ok about racism.

Even saying yesterday that the rise of reform was down to failure of lab/conservative to do do anything other than maintain the status quo for many working class communities, let alone others, and the media to properly question, inform and hold to account farage was met with a barrage of hostility and false accusations. one person genuinely thinks this is all down to zack polanski and that farage has been questioned as hard as he has. Really?!?!

I should say by the way that I am a person of colour, was on free school meals, ended up going to Oxbridge and doing professionally well even if it's not lucrative. that's fine - those are all my choices. I'm miles better off than many other people and I know that. But i'm still very connected to the community i grew up in and see how working class people of all races etc without the same chances are living in immense poverty and the grind that is going on for them. Meanwhile, my very affluent labour voting friends seem to repeat 'labour is the best of a bad bunch.' for who, i say?? maybe for you. but honestly, when life is continualy shit, people do vote for change and will vote for reform or greens.

i'm just sick of being patronised and told i'm stupid, ignorant etc etc.

Just my experience so maybe not typical:

I have heard many times reform supporters being told that other people think they are stupid or racist. In fact I've heard this far far more than hearing anyone actually labelling them thus. As I say, just my experience.

Sorry you've had to put up with at divisive language if that's been your experience.

It’s on here and the blame the tories mantra that makes me groan. Two child cap removed and the benefits bill through the roof, working people struggling to pay for it. It’s the tories fault, don’tcha know.

We all vote for who we think we will serve us best. At the moment, there’s not much for Labour voters to get superior about.

Best just vote for who you prefer. 👍

I don’t think moaning about Reform voters is exclusive to labour voters 🤷🏻‍♀️

I didn't vote Labour and I still think Reform voters are racist and ignorant.

Just hide their threads - don’t give them any O2.

They are tiresome. Their way or the highway

I have heard a narrative a couple of times on the radio that people voted Reform because Labour were bearing the brunt of 14 years of Tory rule and were fed up. In other words, blame the Tories and ignore the mess Labour have made themselves.

YABU. Farage is a dangerous man who blames all problems on outsiders - be it the EU or immigrants. It’s a comforting but all too simple and incorrect mesaage. Brexit has cost the economy £££££s and most of decline is due to decisions of past governments- eg low investment in infrastructure, education, and health, government housing policy ignoring the fact the population is growing, low productivity etc

Many of the people who voted Reform probably did so for tactical reasons, as did many people who voted Labour in the last GE.

Oh, you've dented my argument that not many people say this.

I think calling (all) reform voters racist doesn't help. 1) because it's not true. 2) it shuts down debate as it just becomes a swapping of insults. 3) it leads to kind of the mirror idea that those who oppose reform are only interested in "wokism" and diversity etc when there are all sorts of logical economic and practical reasons that can be articulated against reform policies.

I’m not particularly fond of any party at the moment. I do think there’s an issue with people feeling disenfranchised that is driving the reform vote. But I also do think people voting for them are at best naive and at worst racist. They aren’t going to make anything better and probably will make life much worse for many. Simple solutions to complex problems is what they’re peddling and that sounds attractive but won’t solve anything.

Totally agree OP.
Yes, they inherited a shit show but the bar was soooooo low and they’ve made the hole they are in so much bigger, everyone is poorer. Yet somehow think they occupy a moral high ground?
The only thing that will save us is some economic growth. What’s the first thing they do- shovel loads of taxes onto business. The mind boggles.
I’m ashamed to admit I voted for them thinking they couldn’t be worse than the Conservatives. Sorry everyone, I was wrong.

I’m amazed that Reform did so well. I’m glad to see the loss of confidence in Labour so plainly demonstrated. I agree though that Labour voters are very stuck in a rut in believing they are the top notch citizens and everyone else is either evil or stupid or both.

I don't quite understand your post - your Labour voting friends are saying they believe Farage has been held to account and it's all Polanksi's fault? That's not a take I've heard.

I'm not massively well off - I'm not in some bubble just supporting Labour as I'm alright jack. I'm doing ok and was doing ok under the Tories. So what? Reform will do absolutely nothing for those who are not well off and voting for them to do something about it.

I see more people fed up of all the main parties and angry, but also being worried about Reform. Depends on your social circle I guess.

I think some folks,,like the op really do think it’s about the pm. It’s not. Of all the no marks in the Labour Party without a shadow of a doubt Starmer is now the most capable, he has experience, yes he’s shite,and incapable in general terms but way more capable than the likes of burnham or the rest of them. The bar is low.

the issue is the policies. They’ve taxed the public hard, lied.even unite is limiting support due to what they’ve done to the average working person . Removing the two child benefit cap doesn’t take children out of poverty, it’s an idealogy not reality, and plunging workers into poverty to pay the massive bill to pay for it makes child poverty worse.

the net zero thing millibamd is obsessed with, stopping drilling in the North Sea, thousands of jobs lost,us all paying so much more for our energy

the economy was recovering after Covid,and now we are in a even worse position,

andy burnham coming in isn’t going to change the polices. Who is prime minister is irrelevant.

How do you account for the rise all across Europe voting for more right parties? They didn't leave the EU. They are suffering the poor decisions of the free movement of people and lax immigration rules. Their economies are hardly thriving either and suffering with silly climate change agendas. Most sane minded people have had enough of the same old parties and the same old nonsense.

This band of far left extremists should really just join the Greens now. And crack on with abusing women and pretending men can be women, legalizing class A drugs, abolishing prisons, disbanding our armed forces, opening the borders and abolishing all immigration rules and all the other totally crazy things they want to do.

They are so out of touch calling 8 millions Reform voters racist. They have no idea.

You don't have to be far left to be anti Reform.

You have to be far left to oppose immigration controls, which is what Reform want.

Totally agree.
Starmer tried to cut benefits but his own party stopped him.
there’s not enough money to go round and people who are working shouldn’t be paying for others who won’t work. Benefits should be a short term crisis support not a way of life.
im sick of it

BBC

Henry Zeffman
Chief political correspondent
This is a big moment.
Catherine West does not want to be leader of the Labour Party. And she is not going to be leader of the Labour Party.
But she has just kicked off the process by which the Labour Party may have its first leadership election since Keir Starmer was elected in 2020.
West’s plan (which she says she came up with this morning) is this: by Monday, either the cabinet will have ousted Starmer, or West’s colleagues will have a chance to nominate her formally to contest the party leadership.
It is highly unlikely that West would get to the 81 MPs required for there to be a full ballot of party members between her and Starmer.
But suppose she got close? Suppose dozens of Labour MPs backed West as a show of frustration? That might be enough to tempt others to launch a leadership bid.
Or it might fall apart rapidly and prompt Labour MPs to row in behind Starmer, solidifying his position for now.
Let’s see. Whatever happens next, this is a big moment.

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