So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

The fact is that asylum seekers are hardly a real problem at all. It’s just a convenient way to blame those least able to defend themselves for issues which have real causes that are too politically controversial to address.

The average annual cost of housing and supporting an asylum seeker has risen by £24,000 per person in the past four years as the Home Office becomes increasingly reliant on more expensive hotel accommodation, according to a new report into asylum expenditure.
Analysts at the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) have found that the bill for supporting each asylum seeker has risen from £17,000 on average in the financial year 2019/20, to approximately £41,000 in 2023/24. Both of these figures are adjusted to 2023/24 prices to eliminate the impacts of inflation.

And you think that isn't a problem for a skint nation, Mandingo?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/migrant-asylum-seeker-home-office-housing-hotel-b2634213.html

They were a problem for Rhiannon Whyte. They were a problem for Wayne Broadhurst.
They were a problem for the woman raped by three of them on Brighton beach
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg090pe65vo

I find your post offensive.

Most attacks on women are carried out by the white British men they know. This is a male problem. In a population of asylum seekers which is mainly young men it’s bound to be slightly higher. But it doesn’t mean asylum seekers are “a problem”. It means men are a problem.

You have to ask yourself why one of the richest nations in the world is “skint” in the first place.

Nothing to do with asylum seekers.

It would be cheaper and save the government money in hotels and HMOs

It would help migrants integrate into society, rather than grouping them all together with other migrant men in big hotels

It would give the ‘refugees welcome’ crew a chance to really welcome them and earn a bit of money

It would more evenly distribute migrants across the country, including in leafy affluent villages which currently are miles from any migrant hotel

Voluntary schemes would be available for all to come forward, with more money available in the areas who vote Green.

Would Rhiannon Whyte be alive if we had a tough line on asylum seekers- yes she would! Would Wayne Broadhurst be alive if we had a tough line on asylum seekers - yes he would.

Would this anonymous woman have been raped that night if we had a tough line on asylum seekers - no she wouldn't. There was no need for any of those unsafe men to be in our country or moving freely about and the British people are bearing the consequences of that.

You can point to anecdotal and tragic evidence all you want, the fact is that the vast majority of these crimes are committed by local men.

You might as well say that if all men were locked up Holly & Jessica would still be alive.

It’s emotive and manipulative to focus exclusively on migrant crime when the issue is far bigger than that. As I said earlier, they’re a convenient scapegoat allowing us to point exclusively at their crimes while ignoring the bigger issues.

No because men from some countries are much more likely to be involved in violent and sexual crime. The fact the government won't gather or share the data is proof enough of that. If the government could get data that showed men from Afganistan or Syria were less criminal than British men they would be waving it from the rooftops.
Why do you think they won't gather or share this data? Because it would be inflammatory to race relations. Why would it be inflammatory do you think?

You can find data from Sweden that gives some idea of the crime patterns of different ethnicities if you look. They started to have a problem with gangs bombing houses after a lot of immigration from Syria - it wasn't a coincidence!

One of these rapist men in the BBC news article was already on the hook for murder in Egypt. Hardly your average fella.

Crime is linked to poverty far more than it is to culture.

Different countries have different crime patterns. Were the people that swindled the biggest benefit fraud that Britain has ever had pushed into it by their poverty?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/dwp-laughed-at-benefit-cheats-29256250.amp

Culture impacts massively on crime patterns and there are countries where entire call centres/industries are functioning from romance fraud/ financial scams/ sextortion/ industrial level shoplifting /drugs etc. Plenty of people living in poverty don't do these things.

As I said most of them aren’t coming here, they’re going to Lebanon, Uganda, Germany or Jordan. We can’t save the world, no, but we can help some of them.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2025
The homicide rate was 8.6 homicides recorded per million population during YE March 2025 *England and Wales)

That would equate to 0.86 homicides per 100,000 population (roughly the number of asylum seekers each year) so people can draw their own conclusions about whether asylum seekers are over represented in terms of the number of murderers.

The vote was in 2016. We were already in Brexit transition by 2018.

We are not mistaken at all. We are the parent to the children Im talking about so have relationships with our HO and immigration partners and the applicants solicitors. We attend hearings and tribunals with them. Where we are working with a family, so are not the parent of their children, we have consent to speak on their behalf and access information about their claim with them.

We are joint partners and equal parties in court in various cases which the public never hear about and we know about the various pathways and barriers of application and refusal and delay.

The work we do to help children access and obtain their documents where possible is intense and absolutely necessary to try to avoid delay.

My consultant surgeon was Iranian, amazing man.

Maybe that poster took Tehran street spitting personally. The number of men hawking boogers and spitting in any city street in England is just as prevalent and disgusting.

Yes lots of families used to be housed in defunct or semi condemned social housing that was not fit for letting any more (about to be pulled down that sort of thing) but that was years ago Im not sure when I last saw that. Some are private properties, again some not likely to be able to be rented on the open market because of the exemptions although they're still safe, but the HO usually use hotels now.

So we’d join the OCHR then like they did?
What would be the point? To leave the European CHR and go for the Overseas CHR?

Aus and NZ belong to the OCHR, it’s the Overseas section of the CHR. We are in the European CHR. Pointless to pull out of the ECHR to join the OCHR 😅

Agree. UK is a sinking ship. I am getting my ducks in a row to leave too.

It used to be that way, until austerity made it extra super hard to get PIP.

But they didn’t come here illegally did they? What part of that don’t you understand? This is not about legal migration. It’s about illegal migration.
Maybe educate yourself on the difference.

Those in MN who think illegal immigration is positive.

I’m not arguing otherwise. What’s your point?

You said
The point remains that it’s nothing to do with Brexit.

I am arguing that Brexit did cause an increase in boats arriving. The data shows it did. As soon as the vote was confirmed, the number of boats started to escalate.