So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

And that 5% need housing, feeding etc!

At no point did I say it was Brexit.

How do Australia do it? Do they not have to try so much because they are harder to reach?

Why doesn’t the world condemn them for not letting more people in?

Why isn’t there more discussion about why people want to come here and addressing that?

What do people think Reform can do about it?

Why can’t we employ more people to shift the back log. We find money for all sorts of crap f we want to.

Id like to see a cross party working group, including proper professions from relevant backgrounds and with proper knowledge (not CEOs who are really figureheads) sit down to discuss what to do for the best of everyone, ourselves and those who decide they need to migrate here.

PIP Is for the most life impacting conditions. Of course it makes sense that the majority aren’t in work. It’s not a gotcha.

🙄 Because 2018 was when the numbers started increasing. If I’d posted that they started coming several years earlier, some other smartarse would have been moaning that it was only a handful of boats so didn’t count.

I just read the Reform policy on small boats and while I can see ‘No more free housing’ will attract voters, there’s no obvious plan behind that. What will they do with asylum seekers? Just leave them out in a back yard?

’No more benefits’ - fine but how will we clothe and feed them? Let them starve in the clothes they arrived in?

I know something needs to be done but Reform are not the answer.

There must be some adults somewhere who can figure this out with compassion.

So why are you being so argumentative about a point that you don’t even disagree with?

I’ve heard discussions where some say most who get pip are in work. Obviously don’t do their research.,

For the (2nd, 3rd?) time, at least get your numbers right when criticising others. I don’t know what’s complicated about it.

I read a post online saying "With luck we will wake up on Friday with Nigel Farage in number 10.'
Surely they were trolling?! That's just too depressing to think otherwise 😭😂

I don’t know why you can’t understand why I said 2018 rather than the handful of arrivals several years earlier, so there we are then.

If you want a discussion, or a debate, then fine. But if you just want a row over something ridiculous, then go and pick a fight with someone else. I’m not interested.

The only person picking a fight here is you. It was a minor point that you’ve now quoted me on three times. I can understand why you chose to say 2018, but if you cite something that immediately contradicts you, you’re not going to persuade people who don’t know/agree. Hopefully you can calm down and understand why facts are important on a subject where many don’t grasp them. 2018 is not factual.

It doesn’t matter.

There’s someone INCREDIBLY vocal in my local fb group who has been posting non stop about the elections for months. Today he posted “the people have been scammed - only 16 seats were fought and Labour still have overall control despite reform winning 10 seats.”

how on earth can you be so vocal and so passionate about something you’ve completely failed to understand 😭

Do you use that tactic often? Using ‘calm down’ in the knowledge that 99% of the time, it will irritate whoever you’re talking to? I have tea, I have biscuits. I’m calm. If you think otherwise you’ve misinterpreted my tone. But that’s ok, I understand that tone isn’t always clear when it’s not verbal. But just to be very clear, you responded to me. Not the other way around. All I’ve done is reply to you.

I repeat, I’m not interested in bickering with you over your refusal to understand my justification for not mentioning the handful of arrivals prior to 2018. Yes, ‘some’ people arrived by boat prior to 2018. Happy now? But if you really need to feel like you’ve had the last word, then fine. Take it. Have it on me… And then take your minor point and have a lovely afternoon with it.

Those adults who say they welcome all refugees could take some into their homes and be responsible for housing, feeding and supporting. Sorted. They get to welcome refugees, the refugees get a home and support and minimal cost to taxpayers. Everybody wins. Unless of course those people saying all refugees welcome mean, “but not in my house”.

Maybe there could be something similar to the Ukraine scheme, when households were given some money to take refugees into their homes? Lots of people signed up for it.

That way they wouldn’t need to use hotels or find houses, they can utilise people’s spare rooms. The families taking them in can also help to integrate them into society. They did it for Ukrainians.

All these posters who suggest we need more people to clear the backlog.

Question. Do you want to do this? I certainly don’t.

It’s like people suggesting that more people should be working in retail. People are leaving retail and not looking at jobs in retail as they are fed up with the rude customers

Can you imagine the problems this might cause?

I’m not saying it would be mandatory, but voluntary. Lots of people signed up to take in Ukrainians.

We work very closely with the HO and immigration, I dont know why you're determined to claim something that isnt true. It does make it harder to get your claim processed, it makes it longer.

That was different, they weren’t an unknown quantity.

Because you don’t work for the HO or immigration. You don’t conduct those interviews and you don’t make decisions on their claims. And you are not privy to the reasons why some claims are decided quicker than others. I understand why you might think this is the case but, respectfully, you are mistaken.

But what is best for the people of Britain is not going to align with what is best for the people who want to migrate here. E.g. we want to deport someone who is a criminal while they want to stay because their child likes British chicken nuggets. The problem is the people in charge believe that the person should stay if their child likes a British chicken nugget.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/klevis-disha-ehrc-chicken-nuggets-appeal-b2942605.html

Yes the same problems that unsafe men cause in the country I expect. So the people that want them here can be responsible for them.