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Wellwhatnowbellaboo · 2026-05-09T09:06:48+00:00

Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ? And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 09/05/2026 22:52

Tryagain26 · 09/05/2026 11:29

It's the narrative that has to change. The UK doesn't actually take that many asylum seekers compared to other countries and immigration isn't particularly high either it is falling. Forecasts are now that we.could have negative net migration this year.
There is a reason why some political parties are obsessed with immigration. They want to give disaffected people someone to blame for their situation and people always find it easy to blame people who are different from them
What I would like someone to explain to me is how do people think their life will improve if we had zero migration?

I think you are mistaken as you are referring to the fact that massive numbers are jumping the UK ship, those that we could do with remaining. Immigration has also fallen due to rules around university students bringing relatives with them. The number of asylum seekers arriving on small boats has not declined.

WaverleyOwl · 09/05/2026 23:01

Restlessdreams1994 · 09/05/2026 11:41

Reform did not “win by a landslide”. They got 26% of the vote in England, lost to Plaid in Wales and were thrashed in Scotland. They are dressing this up as a success but in fact their vote share has dropped based on previous by-election performance.

The vast majority of “illegal immigrants” in the UK arrived here through legal means such as student visas but stayed on once their right to reside ended. Small boat arrivals are a fraction of immigration, and asylum seekers are vetted and then deported if their claims fail. Focusing on small boats and asylum seekers as the issue just shows how willing people are to fall for Reform propaganda instead of actually understanding what is really happening.

I'd have voted Reform in Scotland, but my focus was getting SNP out. So I voted tactically. Didn't work, but it is what it is.

I hate this lefty narrative that Reform voters are mouth breathers. Perhaps they are the people that are fed up of the status quo?

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 23:18

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 22:34

We have pupils in our school from Tehran. Girls.
They are amazing. But the stories they tell from their homeland are shocking. Did you live there?

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No, I was visiting. How about you?

I‘m not denying it’s an oppressive place for women and girls to live, and that’s the reason the people I know (including ex MIL) don’t live there. But I wouldn’t assume that all men coming here on small boats (or via any other route) are supporters of it either, because that’s not been my experience.

KTheGrey · 09/05/2026 23:23

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 19:36

A man who would be at risk in his native country as a rapist obviously made a pretty informed decision to rape somebody and being The Country Where It’s Cushty To Be A Rapist is another incentive problem and also a terrible problem in itself.

What does this mean? You think the UK is a country that’s more lenient on sexual
violence than countries small boat arrivals are leaving?

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Well yes, but what I think is irrelevant because it is a Judge who decides that a convicted rapist cannot be deported at
the end of his sentence because it’s too
dangerous to be a rapist in his country of origin.

We have a real problem when it is almost impossible to get a conviction for rape - look at the statistics. Depressing for women but quite encouraging for offenders.

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 23:29

KTheGrey · 09/05/2026 23:23

Well yes, but what I think is irrelevant because it is a Judge who decides that a convicted rapist cannot be deported at
the end of his sentence because it’s too
dangerous to be a rapist in his country of origin.

We have a real problem when it is almost impossible to get a conviction for rape - look at the statistics. Depressing for women but quite encouraging for offenders.

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You’re mixing up lots of different issues, all of which are important but I’m not at all
clear what your point is.

Winter2020 · 09/05/2026 23:30

summershere99 · 09/05/2026 15:05

The only thing that will ever stop ‘illegal’ immigration to the UK or anywhere else is world peace, stability and prosperity for all.

What is almost always ignored in media reports, and right now even with the BBC, is the many desperate situations that people are trying to escape and the reasons for people wanting to leave their home country in the first place. Until you fix those reasons, there will always be people looking to other countries for safety and opportunity. But tabloids want you to believe these people are all liars and criminals.

Do you think if people had the same safety and opportunities for themselves and their families as we do here they would be risking their lives travelling thousands of miles to get here?

If the west would stop cutting aid and starting wars and abandoning countries with no exit plan and zero fucks and then do their very best to stop people who fought for them and are now massively at risk of being killed, coming to the UK legally, then we might stand a chance of stopping or reducing asylum claims.

But no one wants to hear that side. All most people see are numbers (and the tabloids love to shock you with numbers). Not the people.

Do you think if you were born in Syria or Afghanistan or Sudan you would stay put with your children and just accept your fate?

So we either become an even worse version of ourselves and send war ships into the channel and lump all foreigners together as leeches or rapists or we look at the role our own governments and ones like ours have had in creating a situation that’s impossible to fix.

Population of
Syria: 26 million
Afganistan: 45 million
Sudan: 53 million

...and you think it is fine for them to all head on over? They are big numbers. You think it is understandable that people in these countries want to leave for a better life, and it might be, but we can't save the world.

KTheGrey · 09/05/2026 23:32

WooWooWinnie · 09/05/2026 20:41

I think there is a compassionate line of thought here too…..how desperate are you if you feel that that is your best option? It’s not free either - families spend their life savings on those risky boat trips (that I don’t doubt are mis-sold). No wonder they arrive traumatised and with nothing. Don’t believe the rhetoric about them being put up in nice hotels either….i work in those hotels, they are absolute cesspits. There are many people quietly profiting from this system and that is what needs tackling IMO. Not just a blanket approach of taking everyone’s right away, starting with the most vulnerable. Sort out “the immigrants” and the women are next.

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Nah mate we’ve already been shafted by the left. We’re the ongoing situation.

Winter2020 · 09/05/2026 23:42

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 15:54

It was a deterrent that would have paid for itself eventually.

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Agree because it wouldn't take long for people to stop coming at all. The only people that would come would be people that would rather live in Rwanda than France.

echt · 10/05/2026 00:00

Winter2020 · 09/05/2026 23:42

Agree because it wouldn't take long for people to stop coming at all. The only people that would come would be people that would rather live in Rwanda than France.

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So you think it's OK to deport people to a country with a known dodgy human rights record?

WilfredsPies · 10/05/2026 02:08

likelysuspect · 09/05/2026 17:57

Im talking short hand, it doesnt prevent it full stop, it makes it a lot harder though.

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No it doesn’t. It’s exactly the same process for claiming asylum as documented asylum seekers.

Take Eritreans, for example. Do you know how difficult it is to get a passport in Eritrea? And do you know how many Eritreans are granted asylum in the UK each year? The figures are out there.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 10/05/2026 02:12

Rejoining the EU would help alot

WilfredsPies · 10/05/2026 02:19

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 10/05/2026 02:12

Rejoining the EU would help alot

How, exactly? I really hope you aren’t going to claim that we could have just sent them back to France before we left the EU.

spstchmu · 10/05/2026 02:29

HermioneWeasley · 09/05/2026 11:27

A polish friend was saying to me that if people try to get into the country illegally the army use water cannons on them. They are removed if spotted on the streets. Local communities don’t tolerate the building of mosques - if any are attempted they are pulled down in the night.

I dunno that you want to use polish police/armed forces as examples in human rights. Nothing against Polish people but in my experience the police are corrupt (yes ours are too).

Honestly, the home office need to sort out the delays because lots of people are in limbo.

ilovesleep6 · 10/05/2026 07:29

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 23:18

No, I was visiting. How about you?

I‘m not denying it’s an oppressive place for women and girls to live, and that’s the reason the people I know (including ex MIL) don’t live there. But I wouldn’t assume that all men coming here on small boats (or via any other route) are supporters of it either, because that’s not been my experience.

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It’s funny how it’s suddenly ‘not all men’ when we are talking about foreign men.

No it’s not ‘all men’ but let’s not gaslight people who probably have a lot more experience of a place than you do

I find it odd that some people think that people can grow up in certain societies that are totally incompatible with the west, and yet when they hit our shores those views and values will magically disappear. Especially views towards women. And then it’s ‘feminists’ who want to import these things here. It’s mad.

Vivienne1000 · 10/05/2026 07:31

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 23:18

No, I was visiting. How about you?

I‘m not denying it’s an oppressive place for women and girls to live, and that’s the reason the people I know (including ex MIL) don’t live there. But I wouldn’t assume that all men coming here on small boats (or via any other route) are supporters of it either, because that’s not been my experience.

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I was living there,but I could only tolerate it for a few months. I left my husband to finish his 2 years there and returned home. The girls at our school have surgeon fathers and they all came here legally and contribute massively to our society. The girls are becoming Westernised and fit in very well.

ilovesleep6 · 10/05/2026 07:46

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 23:18

No, I was visiting. How about you?

I‘m not denying it’s an oppressive place for women and girls to live, and that’s the reason the people I know (including ex MIL) don’t live there. But I wouldn’t assume that all men coming here on small boats (or via any other route) are supporters of it either, because that’s not been my experience.

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Also I assume your ex husband was Iranian if your ex MIL is. If you walk around certain places with a ‘local’ looking person it’s a very different experience.

When I went to North Africa I was harassed when I went out alone or with my British looking father. Shouted at, leered at, etc. But when I went out with a male friend who was from there, nothing. Everyone lowered their gaze, no one said anything at all. I was amazed at the difference it made.

MynameisnotJohn · 10/05/2026 07:47

Am also very fond of Iranians in general But it’s a bit irrelevant to the discussion. If we want a meritocratic system of immigration that is not compatible with the current system. We should be less hand wringing and more robust about needing migrants that will not be a risk or a drain.
e.g. Australia limits migration from those who need expensive health care. We don’t. We can’t afford to be so virtue signalling.

Winter2020 · 10/05/2026 08:36

likelysuspect · 09/05/2026 18:02

A third country we have to pay for though.

Through the nose.

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How many people are going to come if they know that within 30 days they will be in Rwanda? No exceptions. Very few. So we would have to pay for very few.

EasternStandard · 10/05/2026 08:43

Winter2020 · 10/05/2026 08:36

How many people are going to come if they know that within 30 days they will be in Rwanda? No exceptions. Very few. So we would have to pay for very few.

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Very few bother to Aus now. No one would vote to go back to those deaths at sea.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 10/05/2026 08:46

Small boat crossings are coming down under Labour. Their policies do seem to be working.

ilovesleep6 · 10/05/2026 08:48

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 10/05/2026 08:46

Small boat crossings are coming down under Labour. Their policies do seem to be working.

What world are you living in?

128000 came over 6 years from 2018-2024. An Average of 21.3k a year.

Since Labour came in 72000 people have crossed in under 2 years. An average of 36k a year.

Im not saying the Tories could handle it (a massive 45k came in 2022) but Labour has no grip on it at all.

Winter2020 · 10/05/2026 08:49

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 18:42

Think that’s quite enough, don’t you?

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Yes it's sarcasm..

Winter2020 · 10/05/2026 08:58

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 22:14

In that case they would be immediately deported as their claim had already been processed and rejected.

But it probably won’t be rejected. Let’s be realistic, most claims seem to be approved and those that are rejected tend to be Albanians.

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Where would they be deported to? And why would that deportation be possible when it's usually not possible for people whose claims are rejected now.

Winter2020 · 10/05/2026 09:03

echt · 10/05/2026 00:00

So you think it's OK to deport people to a country with a known dodgy human rights record?

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I think it's OK to deport people to Rwanda who know if they come to the uk they will be deported to Rwanda. They could always choose to stay in France.

ilovesleep6 · 10/05/2026 09:04

Winter2020 · 10/05/2026 08:58

Where would they be deported to? And why would that deportation be possible when it's usually not possible for people whose claims are rejected now.

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I assume they have to put a country of origin on their application in order to claim asylum? Otherwise what are they claiming asylum from