AIBU to let my daughter’s boyfriend use marked visitor parking regularly?

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NC’d as outing.

Recently moved onto a new build estate, up the road from us is three terraced houses with five parking spots in front of them. Each of the three houses have one and two are very clearly marked as visitor spots.

My DDs boyfriend visits us regularly, can vary from one night a week to 2/3 nights depending on both their shift patterns. She has been parking in one of the visitor spots.

The first of the three residents moved in last week. Yesterday one of the site managers knocked on the door and asked DD to move the car as the houses are now lived in and the resident had complained (some people / contractors park on the still empty houses). DD explained that it was visitor parking and that is was our visitor parked there. Site manager said he would need to go away and look at the plans (thought he would have done this before coming over tbf).

So AIBU to tell him to continue to park there? Legally he can, rules are visitors up to 48 hours at a time (I’ve checked the convents we signed). I would HATE someone effectively parked on my drive, outside my window etc but I would never have bought that house. Resident must have seen and signed the same plans as us?

If the resident comes over to speak to us, how would you respond?

Site plan attached.

I dont think anyone would say its unreasonable to be sad that kids now dont have the experiences we had (although im not sad they didnt get to experience the wonder of seeing chalky white dog poo everywhere). And no one is saying kids cant play in public afaik.

Tbh the only kids that were allowed to play on the road in the area I grew up in 40+ years ago were the ones from troubled backgrounds who's parents didnt seem to care about them very much.

The neighbours are clearly trying to claim ownership of the visitor spaces. As long as you are following the covenants set out in the legal documents, it's fine to continue to park there.

Your childhood may have had playtime in the road but mine certainly didn’t. Playing on main roads and through roads wasn’t a runner even in the rose tinted 60s and 70s.

Playing out in the street was largely a benefit of being of being in suburban cul de sacs and similar and still had an accident rate plus plenty of cars parked.

So campaign for better transport or for removal of planning requirements which restrict off street parking and maybe this type of estate could provide that cul de sac experience (which few people experienced).

I think you'll find, the visitor places outside the terrace houses are for their visitors not for everyone on the estate to use!!
Can't bf park outside your house as its your house he's visiting

Then why would the parking be restricted to 48hr with no return within 48hrs? That doesn't make any sense.

I don’t even think most households necessarily had cars 60 years ago. I’d say it was fairly typical for households to have one car in the 90s, changing to two cars towards the end of the 90s and into the 00s. But it must depend on locality and public transport links. Cars were much more common when I lived in the South West than they were when I lived in the Midlands for example as it was more common for people to have to drive to their jobs/kids schools and maybe in opposite directions from partners etc.

Surely the deeds are for your house..not parking "up the road".
How far away are you from said V.P bays? What number are you?
Is your own car never out of your allocated parking bay?

You mustn't have lived in a very nice place then, and I can't help you there. You can't miss what you were deprived of yourself.

You're describing the job that one car could do.

That isn't the kind of family I am concerned about.

It might be worth a wander round to the site office / sales office.

And whatever the outcome is, suggest that they mark the spaces up with that information to avoid future issues.

I work in the community and visit so many of these. What’s even worse is that they mostly have shit public transport and terrible infrastructure for walking or cycling. It’s so infuriating.

Of course the visitor spaces are for the terraced houses. The op’s house has a driveway. The op’s visitors should park on the drive or on the road outside the house.

They will be visitor spots for the whole estate not just for the houses that they are near. Our estate is like this.

Surely no one owns the visitor spaces and they are possibly even covered by a management fee for the estate. I feel that anyone is entitled to use them, as otherwise there would be something in writing stating they are for those properties only and then proper signage could be given.
It seems like when planning they dotted random visitor spaces around and the new owners assumed they would be free to use. But it's also a good point if there is a 48 hour rule whether this would have worked as I am guessing they complained as they have multiple cars they also want to park.
I am actually surprised though that this is enforced and many years ago when I lived in a flat with 3 visitor spaces they were often taken up by people with 2 cars and I never thought to chase this up.

House builders do not allocate enough space for parking. Most new build estates around us, typically a four bed detached house has 2 parking spaces. All okay when for a family of 4 when kids are under 17 but what happens when kids can drive and now that house has 4 cars. Most kids can’t afford to buy a house till they are in their late 20’s, early 30’s. Plus all houses that have an integral garage I bet less than 1% actually have a car parked in them.

It looks like they have given each house 1 space and then the further 2 spaces to share as there’s not space for 2 each? I wouldn’t park there as it seems rude. Particularly when you already have 2 spaces yourself. I have rented on a new build estate and didn’t buy there for this reason. Roads were very narrow and parking was a joke.

It was and still is a lovely area, very safe and i have wonderful memories of playing out all day 🤗

I really dont feel deprived in any way shape or form that my parents didnt want me playing on land regularly used by 1 tonne of steel on wheels 😅

Yes, that's my reading of it too.
Not in a million years would I buy one of those houses if someone was going to be using that parking spot for dumping their car up to three nights a week.

Agreed

Where does your sureness come from?

It's not possible to park on the road outside the house and the places are marked as visitor parking at OP's estate plan the same way as the single bay visitor parkings.

Just because they are in front of some house it doesn't make them belong to those houses. They have their own alocated spots they paid for.

I would actually make a stand about this from the very beginning otherwise they will end up co-opting the visitors spaces as their own.

Jeez, people on here are always spoiling for a fight and contrary just for the sake of it.

The only important point is whether the visitor spaces are for general use.

If they are, then daughter's boyfriend is using the spaces as allowed.

He is not a resident. He visits, albeit regularly.

If other people have carers or occasional visiting family with gammy legs who would like to use a visitor's space, that's irrelevant. Visitor's spaces are first come, first served, provided they are used within the rules.

Naturally, in estates like this with restricted parking, everyone being considerate and parking according to the rules helps to keep things harmonious. Hopefully things will be easier when more parking opens up, OP.

While that might be how it looks, unless there is anything specific in the deeds showing this then to me a visitor space is for anyone on the estate.

I imagine the houses would have cost more had they been allocated a second parking space and also could cause more conflict if 2 spare spaces remained unallocated for 3 properties in which case it makes sense the visitor spaces remain general use for everyone.

Their houses will have been cheaper because they only had one parking spot. Residents using visitor parking spots is very unreasonable - especially in an estate where there is no other readily available parking. If you have 2 cars, you buy a house with 2 parking spots, you don't inconvenience the entire estate by selfishly using one of the small number of visitor spots.

Residents using visitor spots is entitled behaviour. Having a regular visitor use a visitor parking spot isn't.

I visit one of my friends at least once a week, and go and pick her up and drop her off for Pilates another day - often popping in to use the loo/have a cup of tea. Sometimes I leave my car and we take hers, or we leave my car and go for a walk - my car probably spends as much time parked outside her house as OP's DD's boyfriend's spends in the Visitor spot. I'm definitely not resident at her house though am I.

It couldn't be that safe if your parents were worried you'd be run over on the road outside.