AIBU to let my daughter’s boyfriend use marked visitor parking regularly?

[NBParking]

NC’d as outing.

Recently moved onto a new build estate, up the road from us is three terraced houses with five parking spots in front of them. Each of the three houses have one and two are very clearly marked as visitor spots.

My DDs boyfriend visits us regularly, can vary from one night a week to 2/3 nights depending on both their shift patterns. She has been parking in one of the visitor spots.

The first of the three residents moved in last week. Yesterday one of the site managers knocked on the door and asked DD to move the car as the houses are now lived in and the resident had complained (some people / contractors park on the still empty houses). DD explained that it was visitor parking and that is was our visitor parked there. Site manager said he would need to go away and look at the plans (thought he would have done this before coming over tbf).

So AIBU to tell him to continue to park there? Legally he can, rules are visitors up to 48 hours at a time (I’ve checked the convents we signed). I would HATE someone effectively parked on my drive, outside my window etc but I would never have bought that house. Resident must have seen and signed the same plans as us?

If the resident comes over to speak to us, how would you respond?

Site plan attached.

They are only ‘visitor’ spots because out of the whole estate those three houses are the only ones who don’t have room for two spaces each. Now some selfish twat is taking one of them for his personal use.

We're talking about public space. The red herring was when you said that didn't matter because he would be earning money, and the reason it was the red herring was because earning money neither requires a car, or changes the amount of space it needlessly takes up.

All three of those negative consequences are well documented, by the way. If you get your reading comprehension sorted out you could engage with that literature.

I can see this from both sides! My suggestion would be to ask for the visitors spaces to be clearly marked as such. It might cause some initial annoyance, but it would then be clear to everyone. Otherwise, ask him to park in different spaces each time.

He’s a visitor. So parking in visitor parking is completely reasonable.

Why is the boyfriend a cocklodger?

@NBParking - where do you say that the resident wants to use a visitor space outside their home as a permanent space for a 2nd car? Maybe they would like one of their visitors to park there instead of one of yours using it on a semi-permanent basis. It will only get worse when the other homes in the terrace become occupied.
Good for you for having more funds to purchase a home of your choice but then don't be so entitled to think your visitors (in your case a mere bf of one of your dc) trump the needs of the people who don't have as much money as you.

All fine and good but in much of the country a a car is needed to get a job. If you don’t need one then lucky old you.

Transport would need to be massively increased and better integrated to render less cars necessary, even in outer London let alone rural areas and small towns.

I enjoy robust debate and a bit of posturing but when someone is lamenting kids not being able to play on ROADS, claiming cars are affecting peoples ability to see and pavements are somehow affected when cars are legally parked thats a sign to leave it there, its just gonna get weirder on both sides 🤣

It was in one of the up dates, when people said it might be a carer visiting, it’s not it’s their second car.

My visitor doesn’t trump their needs but neither does theirs trump mine.

It’s literally first come first served.

Surely if they were only reserved for the house they're in front ofs visitors then they would just be their spot and not have to be labelled "Visitor"?

They’re either visitor spots or they’re not, it’s not his fault the site built them outside someone’s house.

No, because there's three houses and only five spaces. So the intention seems clear - Give each of those houses one space each and they can share the other two. However that hasn't been made obvious, hence the OP thinking that visitor means available to everyone, rather than having those spaces shared amongst the houses the spaces are in front of.
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Those visitor spaces clearly look as they are for the terraced houses to share.

I don’t think sensible people would mind you using those spaces occasionally but 3 times a week is half of the time.

You’re complaining that the owners of those houses didn’t buy a house with suitable parking for their needs, but, neither did you.

You have just moved, it is not worth upsetting your new neighbours.

YABU

@NBParking I thought you said you weren't sure if it was one of the residents' cars and merely suspected it. As you don't have the same clear and permanent view of the spaces as those that actually live there you're just making a guess that suits your narrative.

Just highlight to your dd and her bf that parking is limited and you don't want to get off on the wrong foot with your neighbours and live in the spirit of community it would be helpful if the bf could park elsewhere.

surely then they'd have the number of the house they belong to? otherwise how would anyone else know the circumstances of the person who 'owned' that space?

I'm 90% sure I either live in that estate or one identical to it and she's right, those Visitors spaces are free use, not for any particular houses. No on street, if its like mine, its all double yellows.

As a resident in a 2 bed terrace on a new build estate I would be very annoyed at a visitor parking in front of my house. Those spaces were clearly designed for the terraced houses. Luckily my parking spaces are behind the houses, we have two each which is normal. They couldn't give those three houses two spaces each because there isn't enough room so what they've done is provided two extra spaces for use by those residents, not the posh people who have their own drive.

Looking at the various plans posted, I agree with you. I think this is one of those situations where, for sensible reasons related to the estate and the management company set-up that almost certainly exists, all of the spaces that are not assigned to specific properties remain under the management company as 'visitor' spaces. But I also think that the intention was that those visitor spaces are intended for the benefit of those properties in the immediate vicinity - and as separating them out that way from a legal perspective would be unduly onerous it relies on the common sense and goodwill of the residents to make it work. The problem is with that is that there is always someone who lacks common sense, or just exploits any ambiguity to their advantage...

It is a bit confusing, if that is the case you could definitely see it causing issues between the 3 houses in the future as well as most households have 2 cars these days so you could imagine if 1 or 2 of residents are always using the 2 Visitor spots

Children being able to play outside is often one of the things people reminisce about being better in the past?
You don't come across as particularly intelligent. I'm not saying thick.

yes I think so too. An extra space for them to use for their visitors as they only have one spot whereas the other houses have space for 2 on their drives.

by the letter you may be correct OP but I would find another solution if you want to stay on good terms with neighbours.

which house are you by the way? Very close to them?

I said elsewhere on the thread I don't disagree, but every person in a household having a car isn't the answer. Walk, cycle, car share, cab etc are all things we did before it became the norm to have your own car, and I think we should return to that a bit more. It worked in the past, it would work now - we are only talking 15-20 years ago.

Of course, we should also increase public transport. But the only logical conclusion to inadequate public transport is not an extra car.

Ok ill bite 😃 why not.

Moaning about kids not being able to play on roads definitely comes across as not particularly intelligent.

And I do mean thick.

I would interpret that as they are visitor spaces for anyone on the wider estate to use (otherwise they would have been designated to those particular houses by giving them a number, as all the other spaces have - planning laws will dictate that for X number of houses and parking spaces there has to be X number of visitor spaces) BUT I don’t think someone staying that often/regularly really counts as a visitor unfortunately.

A convent is where nuns live and I think the boyfriend is taking the piss a bit here. He should park on the road outside your house