To think Starmer will be gone by the end of Friday? Or will it be Monday evening?

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Whoever you are voting for today, it's probably not Labour - they might loose 2,000 seats.

How long exactly will it be before he resigns?

Exactly, this is not just English council elections . The SNP are heading to be main party in Scottish parliament again despite all the shenanigans with Sturgeon etc. In Wales it is a toss up between PC and Reform to take control of the new expanded Senedd. With Sein Fein already biggest party in N Ireland, this could be the first time that all three nations other than England are run by nationalist parties.

Losing council seats isn't losing their parliamentary mandate! You really don't understand how this works. There will be no desire for an early election - quite the reverse, they'll want to wait as long as possible to try and change public perceptions!

Please stop writing 'FYI' - these posts aren't information, they're delusion.

But it was apparently cut and dried in September. 🤔

Here are some examples of a general election being called early in the UK due to a change in prime minister or policy change:

1923: Stanley Baldwin
* Baldwin had only recently become Prime Minister after Bonar Law resigned.
* He inherited a Conservative majority, but had not personally led the party at a general election.
* He called an early election to seek a mandate for tariff reform/protectionism, a major policy shift.
* Result: he lost his majority.

• 1931: Ramsay MacDonald

  • MacDonald had been Labour Prime Minister, but the Labour government split during the financial crisis.
  • He then formed a National Government with Conservatives and Liberals.
  • This was effectively a new government with a new political basis, so an election was called to seek public approval.
  • Result: the National Government won a landslide.

• 1951: Clement Attlee

  • Labour had won the 1950 election, but with a tiny majority.
  • Attlee’s government was struggling to function properly in Parliament.
  • He called another election to try to win a clearer working mandate.
  • Result: Labour won more votes, but the Conservatives won more seats and Churchill returned.

• 1966: Harold Wilson

  • Wilson had become Prime Minister after Labour narrowly won in 1964 with a majority of only 4.
  • He called an early election to get a stronger mandate and make governing easier.
  • Result: Labour won a much larger majority.

• October 1974: Harold Wilson

  • The February 1974 election had produced a hung parliament.
  • Wilson formed a minority Labour government.
  • He called another election eight months later because he lacked a proper parliamentary mandate.
  • Result: Labour won a small majority.

• 2017: Theresa May

  • May became Prime Minister after David Cameron resigned following the Brexit referendum.
  • She had not personally led the Conservatives at a general election.
  • She called an early election saying she needed a stronger mandate for Brexit negotiations.
  • Result: she lost her majority and had to rely on the DUP.

• 2019: Boris Johnson

  • Johnson became Prime Minister after Theresa May resigned.
  • He had not personally led the Conservatives at a general election.
  • His government had no reliable majority and Parliament was deadlocked over Brexit.
  • He pushed for an election to get a mandate to “get Brexit done.”
  • Result: he won a large majority.

Well at least it's a political party and not a PLC like Reform where you aren't a member but a contributor.
Party before country - maybe Farage could clarify which country since he seems equally keen on taking money from Putin and Trump or any passing ex-pat or tech bro.

Have You not been reading the news? Oddly enough this local election and the elections in both Scotland and Wales, may impact on Starmer’s immediate future. Today is a big day for UK elections. Keep up!

back bench MP whatsapp groups planned it, obviously. Literally how government works.

It has been a deteriorating situation at no.10 and the exit of Morgan McSweeney was significant.
If Labour can shake off Kier Starmer who has been useless and re-launch with a more personable leader it might be their best bet.
If they move to the Left they can battle for votes with the Green Party, the only problem is that the country is nearly at the point where the bond market will call in the money & we lurch into a financial meltdown.

I am voting Labour but I certainly hope Starmer will be gone soon. I hope for Shabana to be made PM, I think she's great.

Not enough people are aware of this.

Here are some examples of the opposite

1990 Major succeeded Thatcher
2007 Brown succeeded Blair
2016 May succeeded Cameron
2022 Truss succeeded Johnson
2022 Sunak succeeded Truss

No elections.

You mean you’re making it up as you go along.

That's because it's bullshit.

This. I hate Starmer (have done for years) and I hate Labour but he is better than any of the other treacherous halfwits that could follow him. Hope he stays in until Labour get kicked out completely 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

In answer to the original question, he will be in number 10 for a few weeks at least, maybe longer.

Which is consistent with my theory she has either made a voluntary, or forced disclosure concerning other outstanding tax issues.

Apologies - I meant this bit - "the country is nearly at the point where the bond market will call in the money & we lurch into a financial meltdown."

Apologies - I meant this bit - "the country is nearly at the point where the bond market will call in the money & we lurch into a financial meltdown."

in name - quite possibly. But the gun will be fired for the leadership election in the next 72 hours (if it has not been already)

None of those are examples of a PM resigning after poor local election results which is what you said would happen and which you were asked to evidence. Try again. On second thoughts, don't bother.

There have been many big swings in the past. I’m aware that there are Welsh and Scottish elections going on as well. Starmer won an election with a huge majority and if anyone thinks that getting rid of him is a good idea either for the Labour Party or for the country they must be mad. I’m not a fan of Starmer and not a Labour voter incidentally.

OP all those precedents you quote above are totally irrelevant to the current situation.

No it isn’t. It’s a hypothesis based on prejudice.

I’m voting Labour, because all of the other options are, in my view, either actual whackjobs or actively evil.

Voting intentions aside, I do hope we manage to get off this toxic populist crazy train of sacking leaders every five minutes. It’s destabilising and pointless and stops any of the boring but vital business of government from getting done. Save that juvenile dopamine-addicted behaviour for the football leagues.

I Can’t see him going no matter the disastrous results - who would want to take over now - they will likely wait until they can put in someone decent (Andy burnham) to fight the next GE. And all the while all these navel gazing about who should be the next leader distracts from the very serious shitshow of a situation this country is actually in.

Hehe - really? Come off it. Liz Truss was off the scale - you can't compare Starmer to the lettuce.