To think Starmer will be gone by the end of Friday? Or will it be Monday evening?

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Whoever you are voting for today, it's probably not Labour - they might loose 2,000 seats.

How long exactly will it be before he resigns?

It’s that too but the feedback coming through is a deep dislike of Starmer. This is coming from Labour MPs and canvassers too today.

And give the Tories another chance to asset-strip the country? Never again, I hope. And if Farage ever becomes PM, then God help us.

Labour MP’s are naive to think that getting say Burnham in will change things.

What success will he have that Starmer didn’t on policies. Will he be able to get a sensible conversation on the Triple Lock or get welfare reform through. Why would Labour MPS vote these policies in?

It’s same old same old. Starmer whipped the MP’s to save his own skin. Why not on other issues.

Labour need a massive change with headline grabbing news. For example - if you come on a boat with no ID then you are put on a ship offshore of the UK. You are processed within say 2 weeks and shipped back to your own country. If you claim to be gay, in fear of your life etc then you will be shipped to Rwanda. It never happened did it because we are far too soft and governments generally don’t want to push their public servants eg the Home Office to do their jobs.

We give people with no ID and just take their word for what has happened to them.

It’s never going to happen under Labour btw. They don’t have the nerve to be this bold. Smash the gangs…that went well didn’t it

• Had 1 DC
• Split with DCs father when DC was 3
• Stayed on my own for 11 years until DC was 14/15 SP
• Worked hard, studied, career success
• No benefits
• Met now DH at 42. Happily married.
• Net contributors - am I allowed to say that?

My point is, all of the above are decisions I have made which allow me be a productive and functional member of society. Some people call it luck, I call it choice.

I, like many of us, grew up with people from similar backgrounds and circumstances, who made other choices, some people I know chose to have 3/4 children, chose bad relationships,
sadly…..choices, choices, paid for by the welfare system. Some people I know, worked and studied very hard and got rich.

Welfare reform - no question. People bleat on,
the second time I have used the term today, about unfairness. Never in an advanced society would the most vulnerable be denied. But vulnerable has become a blurred category somehow, which is a disservice to genuinely vulnerable people. And we can’t afford it.

That’s objectively bullshit.

Show me the stats for the local elections on those events?

Labour have lost 1100 seat seats and there are 20 councils still to declare

Not to mention the bloodbath in Wales, Scotland and the mayors

Since it appears your Google is broken ….

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jun/05/local-election-results-labour-defeat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2025/england/results?app-referrer=deep-link

You have to look at how each of the councils work quite a lot of them only put one third of their seats up for election that one time. However, quite a lot put them all up and reform have gained those ones, including some very large ones.

Those aren’t stats.

give me percentage losses and wins for each event so we can compare it to today.

Yeh it’s high losses. And in places that have been Labour since the 1970s or for 100 years, ie Wales.

You do your own research. I’m not your secretary. All the numbers are there.

There’s no way this isn’t seismic losses for Labour. Despite a few posts on here.

Oh it’s of epic proportions. Seismic.

The whole of wales.

they got 9 seats.

Reform got 34.

Even Labour have been using words like catastrophic today.

Tory politician just said on QT that the Tories balanced the books when in government. Yet austerity wrecked the country and we are stuck with the after effects now, especially in those areas where Reform is now gaining. The same areas that Thatcher had effectively flushed down the toilet and left to flounder. Then, as if that wasn't enough, they unleashed fucking Brexit on us... They are not an economically literate or serious party.

But it is always unchallenged. This was an issue under Miliband's leadership - they never really challenged the narrative that they caused the global financial crash and there are many ill-informed, hard of thinking people around now who believe they caused it by giving out too many benefits.

We mustn't make the same mistake now with Keir Starmer. He hasn't been perfect but this myth that everything is his fault, that the 14 years of carnage that he inherited should by now have been overturned has to stop.

These results haven't been as bad as feared and he's needs to stay, not get drawn into the kind of shitshow the Tories kept putting on when they were in charge.

Labour lost 291 seats in 2009 so not sure how PPs are concluding this is a better result unless using a different metric.

I think he'll stay until they get somebody lined up to take over. Angela Rayner will be even worse. Pretty grim that they've managed to rurn a huge majority into a disaster. But Labour never listen. How can KS say he'll lead them to the next election. He is delusional.

Labour has already lost 1200 seats.

‘I’m not your secretary’

What are you then Blossom? Because you are fanatical in your support for Labour. Utterly blind fanatacism.

Yeh I’m not getting why losses over 1200 isn’t historic.

Am I really? Why did I vote LibDem yesterday then?

It is objectively correct. You shouldn't call things bullshit when they are correct and easy to check.

Last year there were 285 Labour-held seats being contested. Labour lost 187 of them and finished fourth, which equates to a 66% loss of seats. The Tories were defending 993 seats and lost 674 of them to finish third, which equates to a 68% loss of seats.

In 2009 there were 469 Labour-held seats being contested. Labour lost 291 of them and finished third, which equates to a 62% loss of seats.

The absolute number of losses this year is higher as there are many more seats being contested - over 5,000 compared to 2,362 in 2009 and 1,635 last year - and Labour is defending 2,301 seats. But Labour are almost certainly going to finish second this year with a loss of 55%-60% of their seats. Their result will therefore be better than either they or the Tories managed last year, and better than they managed in 2009.

A tactical vote only.

What is it Smiley said about fanatics - ‘the fanatic is always concealing a secret doubt’.

What tactic could that possibly be? Please enlighten me.