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OP posts:
itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 13:00

Interesting results so far today, 54 Councils in. In other news, I see Wales is no longer Labour.

OP posts:
Sherbs12 · 08/05/2026 13:05

Cheers for the passive aggressive flowers @itsnotallaboutyouyouseebut really not necessary.

To think Kemi Badenoch is starting to talk an increasing amount of Sense?  Part 2
itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 13:08

Sherbs12 · 08/05/2026 13:05

Cheers for the passive aggressive flowers @itsnotallaboutyouyouseebut really not necessary.

? I was sending you support, you seemed sad. and a bit angry x

OP posts:
CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 08/05/2026 13:10

CandidLurker · 07/05/2026 20:11

We are a lot more accommodating and tolerant about the hijab than other European countries. Eg France where you are not allowed to wear it in schools.

Yes, and it has sadly already contributed to the death of one little girl - Sara Sharif. Even more sadly, lots of people are so intent on signalling their extreme virtue (or not offending Muslims) that they won’t hear of hijabs being banned (even in primary schools) and from one recent MN thread, are happy to enforce hijab wearing in Muslim girls even as non Muslims. (A thread where OPs son asked his friend who had come over if he could see her hair and OP , instead of having a word with the son for asking an inappropriate question, firmly told the girl not to uncover her hair and then came here to tell us).

In a normal world, if something had already been used to aid and abet abuse of a child and there was a risk of it being used by others, we’d be having a conversation about how to prevent that but we’re not.

I think Kemi is absolutely right not to speak to women with their faces covered. I struggle with speaking to someone with sunglasses on - a full face covering is disrespectful to the person you want help from.

Where there are scenarios that women are being forced to wear a face covering by others from their family or community, it just strengthens the argument for a full ban here. Like they do in some Muslim countries.

Sherbs12 · 08/05/2026 13:15

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 13:08

? I was sending you support, you seemed sad. and a bit angry x

Don’t you worry about me, I’m all good. And I wasn’t seeking support, I was asking you to explain your comments on Islamophobia…which you still haven’t done.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 08/05/2026 13:19

FloralDeerPattern · 07/05/2026 11:16

There is, of course, a real risk to me and mine of harm by Muslim extremism . A sizeable risk given the number of attacks in recent years.

This is your 'real risk' of being a victim of harm by a Muslim extremist in the UK 0.000009%. This is your risk of dying by falling down the stairs 0.0015%. This is your risk of dying in a car accident 0.003%. This is your risk of being killed by a male relative 0.0003%. Unless you live in extreme fear of the 'sizeable' risks of all of this and more that is far more likely to kill you then I think you might need to look at where this fear of Muslims that you have is coming from.

Edited

Oh, that’s interesting- do you have current figures on how many terrorists we currently have in the country?

We know that some have come in on small boats (some have been caught, there are likely more - I mean they’d be silly not to) and some are being radicalised here in mosques and online but I’m not sure even MI5 have good enough numbers to give a statistical risk like that.

Obviously there is something going on as MI5 gave raised our threat level to Severe and we have had several terrorist attacks in recent years.

I’m glad you are so sanguine about the risk levels, maybe you don’t have daughters that like to go to concerts like Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande? Or Christmas markets (a favourite target for Islamist attacks across Europe) and I’m assuming you are not Jewish.

Why are you so happy to accept that we have allowed people to come or settle here that viscerally hate us and our way of life so much so that they want to cause maximum death and destruction? Why is that ok in your mind?

Locutus2000 · 08/05/2026 13:26

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 13:08

? I was sending you support, you seemed sad. and a bit angry x

I'd be careful with sending passive-aggressive reactions, MNHQ don't like it.

Edit: They don't like it when posters bully other posters either.

EasternStandard · 08/05/2026 13:30

Sherbs12 · 08/05/2026 13:05

Cheers for the passive aggressive flowers @itsnotallaboutyouyouseebut really not necessary.

Blimey

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 13:36

Locutus2000 · 08/05/2026 13:26

I'd be careful with sending passive-aggressive reactions, MNHQ don't like it.

Edit: They don't like it when posters bully other posters either.

Edited

I feel bullied by you. please stop.

OP posts:
itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 13:40

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 08/05/2026 13:19

Oh, that’s interesting- do you have current figures on how many terrorists we currently have in the country?

We know that some have come in on small boats (some have been caught, there are likely more - I mean they’d be silly not to) and some are being radicalised here in mosques and online but I’m not sure even MI5 have good enough numbers to give a statistical risk like that.

Obviously there is something going on as MI5 gave raised our threat level to Severe and we have had several terrorist attacks in recent years.

I’m glad you are so sanguine about the risk levels, maybe you don’t have daughters that like to go to concerts like Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande? Or Christmas markets (a favourite target for Islamist attacks across Europe) and I’m assuming you are not Jewish.

Why are you so happy to accept that we have allowed people to come or settle here that viscerally hate us and our way of life so much so that they want to cause maximum death and destruction? Why is that ok in your mind?

You wouldn't think that 75% MI5 activities cover Islamist terrorism..

And of the 254 people in prison for terrorism and terrorism-connected offences, around 60% were convicted as Islamist terrorists. (CTP)

OP posts:
itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 13:42

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CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 08/05/2026 13:46

Gallowayan · 08/05/2026 07:56

If you are a fan girl of "Kemi" why are you waving your hands around like a twat to attract her attention on here?

Shes all over twitter and more likely to see you on there.

The tories will be a fringe party by the end of today. Love that for you.

Edited

I don’t know if you realise but but you are coming across as a bit tetchy and insulting.

What is the point you are trying to make?

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 08/05/2026 13:49

Wibble128 · 08/05/2026 09:28

I believe a core problem for the UK is the politicisation of the Civil Servce (CS). The work of those who adopted the approach of the long march through the institutions as a method of weakening the UK is nearly done.

Regardless of her and indeed her parties stance or statements and indeed those of Reform etc, any policy that does not reflect the aims of the Left will be stopped by the Civil Service. The removal of political neutrality from the CS started in the Universities where the current crop of CS influencers from were trained, has now enabled a blocking of any policy that does not help destory the British way of life. This is reflected in other bodies such as the NHS.
The CS and other public bodies need a good clean out and reminding they are Public Servants.

Yes, this is a very serious issue and desperately needs sorting. Having those people in the CS is deeply undemocratic and potentially dangerous.

Sherbs12 · 08/05/2026 13:51

There’s been no bullying from me, that’s not my way; however, if you think you have evidence of it on my posts, then you should report it.

Edited to tag @itsnotallaboutyouyousee as her post I was replying to seems to have disappeared while I was typing.

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 13:54

Sherbs12 · 08/05/2026 13:51

There’s been no bullying from me, that’s not my way; however, if you think you have evidence of it on my posts, then you should report it.

Edited to tag @itsnotallaboutyouyousee as her post I was replying to seems to have disappeared while I was typing.

Edited

I feel bullied by you. Bullies usually don't know they are bullies - that's how it works. I don't report (well I did report one post once, concerning a posters comment on a child) but that's all. Usually I prefer to leave records on show.

OP posts:
itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 13:58

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 08/05/2026 13:49

Yes, this is a very serious issue and desperately needs sorting. Having those people in the CS is deeply undemocratic and potentially dangerous.

Yes,, and @Wibble128 I'd missed your post this morning. Totally agree.

OP posts:
Sherbs12 · 08/05/2026 13:59

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 13:54

I feel bullied by you. Bullies usually don't know they are bullies - that's how it works. I don't report (well I did report one post once, concerning a posters comment on a child) but that's all. Usually I prefer to leave records on show.

Well, the records of what each of us has said are very much on show - I’ll leave it at.

jasflowers · 08/05/2026 14:09

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 08/05/2026 06:54

Me too. She's got time before the next GE, which is ideal given where we are. I see Reform are doing very well in the locals - which is great for the Conservatives planning ahead.. Reform councils will have had time to show how incompetent / useless they are / will be. Of course few people will ever vote Labour again so that's a help in the GE. Long-term looks positive for the Conservatives.

Uh?
Reform will blame the previous council (often Tory as well as Labour) and if they do totally mess up, the blame will be attached to the Lab Government and Reform will march on.

Kemi Badenoch should be filling the gap Labour have created with some very poor policies and the obvious dislike of Starmer, she isn't, she is failing to cut through & i know why:
She pretends she wasn't in politics until 2024 but people see through this, she was in Govt for 5 years and supported Liz Truss's economic disaster, a disaster mine and many other pensions have yet to recover from.

Vote share so far, is 16%, Labour 20% and Reform on 27%

The party who have time to change things is Labour, the question is: Will Starmer cling on aka Corbyn or step aside?

FloralDeerPattern · 08/05/2026 23:02

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 08/05/2026 13:19

Oh, that’s interesting- do you have current figures on how many terrorists we currently have in the country?

We know that some have come in on small boats (some have been caught, there are likely more - I mean they’d be silly not to) and some are being radicalised here in mosques and online but I’m not sure even MI5 have good enough numbers to give a statistical risk like that.

Obviously there is something going on as MI5 gave raised our threat level to Severe and we have had several terrorist attacks in recent years.

I’m glad you are so sanguine about the risk levels, maybe you don’t have daughters that like to go to concerts like Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande? Or Christmas markets (a favourite target for Islamist attacks across Europe) and I’m assuming you are not Jewish.

Why are you so happy to accept that we have allowed people to come or settle here that viscerally hate us and our way of life so much so that they want to cause maximum death and destruction? Why is that ok in your mind?

You seem very angry about actual statistics based on previous terrorist attacks. I can't help that the figures don't back up the idea that people are putting their lives on the line everytime they leave the house because there is some crazy Islamist terrorist is waiting around every corner. If people want to live in fear based on minute risks then that's their choice but the truth is important here, 0.000009% is not a 'sizable' risk.

I could ream off many instances of husbands killing their wives and statistically that is far more common than being killed by a terrorist attack but it doesn't mean I am going to agree that your husband is a 'sizable risk' and ask you why you think it's OK to get married to a man, why is it OK for anyone to get married to a man, why is that OK with you 😱 That's just hysterical nonsense and serves no one.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 08/05/2026 23:50

FloralDeerPattern · 08/05/2026 23:02

You seem very angry about actual statistics based on previous terrorist attacks. I can't help that the figures don't back up the idea that people are putting their lives on the line everytime they leave the house because there is some crazy Islamist terrorist is waiting around every corner. If people want to live in fear based on minute risks then that's their choice but the truth is important here, 0.000009% is not a 'sizable' risk.

I could ream off many instances of husbands killing their wives and statistically that is far more common than being killed by a terrorist attack but it doesn't mean I am going to agree that your husband is a 'sizable risk' and ask you why you think it's OK to get married to a man, why is it OK for anyone to get married to a man, why is that OK with you 😱 That's just hysterical nonsense and serves no one.

Weird that you interpret my post as angry - I have just asked you a couple of questions. 🤷‍♀️

I’m not sure why you are going on about ‘sizeable risk’ - I have not mentioned that - I asked you about your ‘actual statistics’ and whether they are based on any current level of reality.

With large numbers of people entering the country that include terrorists among their number (plus increasing radicalisation in mosques and online) there is clearly a changing situation. MI5 have changed their threat level to ‘Severe’ so your historical statistics are no longer relevant.

If you have no current data it’s fine just to say that.

Do you understand that the actual threat of terrorism from actual terrorists living in this country is not the same as my husband being statically no risk to my safety?

Gallowayan · 09/05/2026 08:52

EasternStandard · 08/05/2026 08:12

This sounds like a Labour voter seeing the results today. Insults and anger won’t get them far tbf.

SNP voter and I posted that yesterday😆Not angry. Busy celebrating our fith ,or is sixth Holyrood win...I lose track.

You have not read the thread. The OP did insult and patronise me first. Quite a humbling day for the tories, as I predicted.

Caro7457 · 09/05/2026 09:12

Gallowayan · 09/05/2026 08:52

SNP voter and I posted that yesterday😆Not angry. Busy celebrating our fith ,or is sixth Holyrood win...I lose track.

You have not read the thread. The OP did insult and patronise me first. Quite a humbling day for the tories, as I predicted.

Edited

Wasn’t it just!

EasternStandard · 09/05/2026 09:22

Gallowayan · 09/05/2026 08:52

SNP voter and I posted that yesterday😆Not angry. Busy celebrating our fith ,or is sixth Holyrood win...I lose track.

You have not read the thread. The OP did insult and patronise me first. Quite a humbling day for the tories, as I predicted.

Edited

Labour’s grip on London has reduced. Wales gone for them after 100 years. Losing votes to everyone, everywhere. Starmer looking shaky.

Great stuff.

Weeellokthen · 09/05/2026 09:29

Not, never have been a Tory, but I do like Kemi of all the party leaders.

Weeellokthen · 09/05/2026 09:31

Gallowayan · 09/05/2026 08:52

SNP voter and I posted that yesterday😆Not angry. Busy celebrating our fith ,or is sixth Holyrood win...I lose track.

You have not read the thread. The OP did insult and patronise me first. Quite a humbling day for the tories, as I predicted.

Edited

Shame on you then!!!! Have you failed to notice the state of our country under this lot after nearly 20yrs of lies and corruption?