To think Kemi Badenoch is starting to talk an increasing amount of Sense? Part 2

[itsnotallaboutyouyousee]

Continuing this fascinating thread. I think it ended prematurely. We were just getting into the swing of things...

Part 1 here: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5525758-to-think-kemi-badenoch-is-starting-to-talk-an-increasing-amount-of-sense?reply=152116138&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Me too. She's got time before the next GE, which is ideal given where we are. I see Reform are doing very well in the locals - which is great for the Conservatives planning ahead.. Reform councils will have had time to show how incompetent / useless they are / will be. Of course few people will ever vote Labour again so that's a help in the GE. Long-term looks positive for the Conservatives.

Nice paragraph tagged on at the end of your missive to ensure you've covered your concern about anti-semitism too. Good work.

Don’t even go there - a tactic to totally deflect from you posting an Islamophobic conspiracy theory as fact when I’m focusing on a very specific point which you made. We see you. Why don’t you answer my questions?

😆How on earth can you say the future looks positive under Conservative. Have you seen the results? They will never, ever get in power with Kemi at the helm or by being Reform lite which is all she tries to do.

Don't tell me what to do.. Sorry you're feeling sad about the elections.

Bless. Best not watch the news today eh.. Left getting the drubbing they so throughly deserve after the utter contempt they've shown the tax paying electorate.

Um last time I looked the Conservatives are trailing behind Reform, Labour and the Lib Dem’s!

I thought you lot really valued freedom of speech? Your refusal to explain tells us everything we need to know.

The results are expected. What I am sad about is that in my hometown, which is likely to see huge Reform gains from Labour, has seen people (especially women) harassed, abused, threatened and intimidated by Reform campaigners. I’m sad that some of the worst types of people are now likely to have influence over public services for vulnerable people, and the like. It’s not about bitterness or petty tribal politics for me.

If you are a fan girl of "Kemi" why are you waving your hands around like a twat to attract her attention on here?

Shes all over twitter and more likely to see you on there.

The tories will be a fringe party by the end of today. Love that for you.

This sounds like a Labour voter seeing the results today. Insults and anger won’t get them far tbf.

The results aren’t out yet. There are still 94 councils to declare as well as Wales and Scotland. It’s too soon to start crowing.

I really like her. I’ll vote concernatibe as long as she is leader. She’s principled and intelligent. She reminds me of the sort of politicians we used to have until David Cameron marked the start of a long decline in the quality of politicians.

TBF thats partly our fault as an electorate. Being an MP is a thankless job, not well paid, and subject to abuse. No wonder people with genuine talent leave and What we have remaining are increasingly ideologues. - see Reform and the Greens ( even more so), the independent Gaza MPs as well as a sizeable faction of the Labour Party.

The results of the local elections are really concerning re Reform

I hope either Starmer makes a dramatic change and fast to regain confidence, it will need to be change people can see and feel personally, rather than just talk and promises, as many people feel really let down. Or that Kemi gains significant ground.

I think most can agree that either of these would be better than Reform or Greens who have no experience in running the country and are at the more extreme ends of political scale. If they do get in, it's Starmer and Co to blame.

Maybe the best scenario we can realistically hope for is no overall majority and a labour conservative coalition, to hopefully acheive a centre balance. Although this may lead to a load of arguing and nothing getting done at all.

I am quite shocked the Tories lost so many seats tbh (labour less so). Have the seats the Tories lost also gone to Reform?

I believe a core problem for the UK is the politicisation of the Civil Servce (CS). The work of those who adopted the approach of the long march through the institutions as a method of weakening the UK is nearly done.

Regardless of her and indeed her parties stance or statements and indeed those of Reform etc, any policy that does not reflect the aims of the Left will be stopped by the Civil Service. The removal of political neutrality from the CS started in the Universities where the current crop of CS influencers from were trained, has now enabled a blocking of any policy that does not help destory the British way of life. This is reflected in other bodies such as the NHS.
The CS and other public bodies need a good clean out and reminding they are Public Servants.

We won’t know until all the results are in. The Tory losses were also predicted, it will take them more than one electoral cycle to recover.

It's not so bad I dont think. The salary doesn't look amazing on paper but gets doubled in expenses.

A labour MP I know through our children, has a full time nanny, a 2nd home, very smart cars, fully paid through both maternity leaves, lots of expensive holidays, oldest moving to private school in September. Her other half is in a fairly standard job so it's definitely her salary keeping them afloat.

She isn't particularly smart, so I don't think she would earn more than she currently does as an MP if she worked in the private sector.

The issue is Reform has taken the wider right end of the conservative vote. Which puts them in a difficult position - do they go more right to try and reclaim this, but potentially lose the centre right.

It's the same with labour, they have lost the far left to the Greens.

not true

So far -
con have lost 171 seats and 1 council
lab have lost 259 seats and 8 councils

Look at the results so far lovey (or see my summary above if you don't want to do your own researcH)

Current results:

@itsnotallaboutyouyousee I am confused by your reply to me? What did I say that wasn’t true?!

Oh did you think I meant more seats than labour. No, that was in the context that I wasn’t shocked, everyone knew that was coming!

@Bushmillsbabe I said on a thread the other day that I think the worst thing is more division. I feel a bit alone as I’m a mix of centre.

Ohh I see! yes mix up x