To think Kemi Badenoch is starting to talk an increasing amount of Sense? Part 2

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Continuing this fascinating thread. I think it ended prematurely. We were just getting into the swing of things...

Part 1 here: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5525758-to-think-kemi-badenoch-is-starting-to-talk-an-increasing-amount-of-sense?reply=152116138&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Ok...if this is true, why are English politicians so keen to sabotage independence referendums,if we are saying England would be better off outside of the union with Scotland?

From a historical perspective, how far back would you like to go?

William the Conqueror?

You know what they say about sarcasm.
The last 50 years is more than enough enough

We were discussing North Sea oil revenues. How do you suggest doing that without referencing the time of peak production?

Coming to this late but as a member of the Labour Party found it very refreshing to hear her say I disagree with you, you just have to accept that.

The Times parliamentary sketch writer had a good piece on this on Tuesday.

Will politicians telling the public what they really think catch on?

www.thetimes.com/article/a1150b24-b858-4230-9a08-5105ebdf8a9f?shareToken=b9d2f47935f0902a377a71ddc3a39d1d

Don't kid yourself.

Do tell.

Completely different decline rates between the UKCS and NCS.

You cannot make a simple comparison.

Can’t I? I thought I just did. 🤔

There is, of course, a real risk to me and mine of harm by Muslim extremism . A sizeable risk given the number of attacks in recent years.

This is your 'real risk' of being a victim of harm by a Muslim extremist in the UK 0.000009%. This is your risk of dying by falling down the stairs 0.0015%. This is your risk of dying in a car accident 0.003%. This is your risk of being killed by a male relative 0.0003%. Unless you live in extreme fear of the 'sizeable' risks of all of this and more that is far more likely to kill you then I think you might need to look at where this fear of Muslims that you have is coming from.

Yeah, unless you're jewish of course

I do think she's talking a lot of sense, yes. Tory party is in tatters though.

😅

Good article. Thanks, I hadn't seen it. It is startling to realise how pathetically happy we are that Kemi spoke the truth clearly and without compromise, and politely. Shows how low things have become.

Kemi: ''I disagree with you, you just have to accept that''

The article: 'It is immensely satisfying, hearing an idiot being called an idiot, by someone far more articulate than them'.

I know. People have got so scared of politely disagreeing with each other for fear of being labelled with an 'ist' that I think there was considerable shock at her approach. I found it really refreshing for her to stick to her position rather than the usual politician stance of pandering for votes, coming off as fake.

My risk at the hands of Jews - 0%
My risk at the hands of Sikhs ' 0%
Ditto Hindu, Christian, Jain, Buddhist and any other Religion in the UK

The ONLY Religion that is carrying out terrorist attacks in the UK is Islam.

What was vile about Rwanda? They had lovely accommodation there and money in their pocket plus opportunities to work. Remember they chose to come to our country illegally and are costing the tax payer millions. The unfairness of this upsets most people.

You are not a racist because you believe in controlling our borders. Most people want this and this is why the tories lost the election and are now thoroughly disillusioned with Keir Starmer and will vote him out as soon as possible.

She's totally right not to speak to women in burkas. It's usually the husband making them wear them and to keep them subservient. They could live in an Arab country if this is how they want to live.

We do actually control our borders, so agree it is not racist to believe in doing so 😊

We are a lot more accommodating and tolerant about the hijab than other European countries. Eg France where you are not allowed to wear it in schools.

Any evidence or details on ‘Islamophobia’ being coined by the Muslim brotherhood for the sole purpose of deflecting legitimate questions about Islamic extremism? I know Said used it in the 1980s in terms of critical theory. A quick Google of its etymology states it was originally used in the full sense we mean now by the Runnymede Trust in the 1990s. Did you copy and paste someone else’s comment as fact? I wonder where they got it from…

And also, what significance is it meant to have? Is it semantics? As in you’d prefer ‘anti-Muslim’ to Islamophobia?

As in: The former Conservative Tory minisister and current Member of the House of Lords, Baroness Warsi, resigned the Tory whip in September 2024 due to the party’s ‘lurch to the far right’ and due to the party taking Islamophobia ‘far less seriously than other forms of bigotry.’

Or do you prefer: Former Tory PM Boris Johnson received significant criticism for his anti-Muslim comments describing Muslim women in burqas as ‘letterboxes’, ‘ridiculous’ and likening them to ‘bank robbers.’

Or do you think it’s suggesting that Islamophobia/being anti-Muslim doesn’t exist? Really interested to know what your point was when you regurgitated those comments.

I saw former Green leader Caroline Lucas calling for immediate action on any anti-semitism in the Green Party - and rightly so. It seems it’s often left to former senior figures to call out these issues within their own parties.

I like her she comes across well

I think she is streets ahead of all the other leaders and I really admire her.