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AIBU to think this Green Party response raises antisemitism concerns?

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Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 06:23

Reported today that Rachel Millward, the Green Party co-deputy leader, has shared a conspiracy theory about the Golders Green attack in which two Jewish men were stabbed.

It emerged the Muslim Greens, a group of party activists, chatted on a private WhatsApp group over the weekend about launching a campaign to highlight the alleged failure to report Ishmael Hussein, the third victim of the April 29 stabbings. There is no suggestion that this idea has the backing of Mr Hussein.

The private group chat, which included Mothin Ali, the Green Party’s other co-deputy leader, suggested the “racist double standard” in the Government’s handling of the attack also needed to be challenged.

The Golders Green stabbings are the latest in a spate of attacks on the British Jewish community. Last week, Essa Suleiman was charged with the attempted murder of Moshi Shine, 76, and 34-year-old Shloime Rand.

Media outlets reported that he was also charged with the attempted murder of Mr Hussein in Southwark, south London, earlier on the morning of April 29

Ms Millward shared a post from the NewsCord account that claimed Mr Hussein had been “erased from headlines to suit a weaponised, desperate narrative”.
The Greens’ deputy leader commented: “How can this be? Three attempted murders and only two reported?”

NewsCord is an AI-generated news aggregator and campaigning platform set up after the October 7 attacks to challenge the “Western media” and how it was “justifying and manufacturing consent for Israel’s war”.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/05/green-party-anti-semitism-local-election-sabine-mairey/

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ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 09:51

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 09:45

Please watch this reel from Jewish people who live in London who march for Palestine. You are being lied to by the media!

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Why don't you tell us what it's about? Not many people will want to click on that link.

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 09:52

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 09:45

Please watch this reel from Jewish people who live in London who march for Palestine. You are being lied to by the media!

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Every time Tommy Ten Names marches there will be at least one video of Muslim and/or Black people saying that they can go along and don’t feel threatened. That doesn’t make it a majority view.

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 10:04

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 09:52

Every time Tommy Ten Names marches there will be at least one video of Muslim and/or Black people saying that they can go along and don’t feel threatened. That doesn’t make it a majority view.

What a ridiculous argument comparing peaceful marches for Palestine with people of all religions or no religion, protesting against a genocide to a Tommy Robinson March full of fat, drunk, racist, white blokes! Look at the crime statistics related to each march and that gives you a good idea.

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 10:06

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 09:51

Why don't you tell us what it's about? Not many people will want to click on that link.

There’s nothing wrong with the link and I’ve explained what it is in the text.

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 10:11

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 10:04

What a ridiculous argument comparing peaceful marches for Palestine with people of all religions or no religion, protesting against a genocide to a Tommy Robinson March full of fat, drunk, racist, white blokes! Look at the crime statistics related to each march and that gives you a good idea.

You presented the video as ‘evidence’ that ‘the media are lying to you’. That’s precisely what TR’s supporters do. See also Reform’s “we can’t be anti-immigrant because we have immigrants as members”.

It’s about as sophisticated an argument as “some of my best friends are black”.

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 10:15

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 09:52

Every time Tommy Ten Names marches there will be at least one video of Muslim and/or Black people saying that they can go along and don’t feel threatened. That doesn’t make it a majority view.

Oh is it the fun game of good Jew bad Jew? Many of us oppose what the Israeli government does but I can't imagine how much you'd need to turn a blind eye in order to go on one of those marches. I've had people screaming in my ear in the street on an ordinary day about evil Zionists. I'm not about to deliberately put myself in the firing line.

The hypocrisy upsets me too. Where are the weekly mass protests against the genocide of Sudanese people on ethnic grounds or the total removal of women's human rights in Afghanistan? The UK government is as complicit in these as anything happening in the middle east. I know this is a hackneyed question but the reason for that is that nobody can ever (honestly) answer it.

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 10:16

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 10:06

There’s nothing wrong with the link and I’ve explained what it is in the text.

I didn't see your explanation? Maybe you could give a quick summary. What is the main gist of the link?

EdgyNavyHiker · 06/05/2026 10:36

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 09:44

What has that got to do with antisemitism in the green party?

BeFirmHedgehog · 06/05/2026 10:36

I agree that all 3 attacks should be reported. What is the conspiracy theory? That is a fact.

wecangoupupup · 06/05/2026 10:38

Another example of Zach Polanski facing horrific antisemitic abuse but nobody will speak up about it because they don’t like his political views

https://x.com/benphillips76/status/2051909751076975056?s=46

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 10:42

wecangoupupup · 06/05/2026 10:38

Another example of Zach Polanski facing horrific antisemitic abuse but nobody will speak up about it because they don’t like his political views

https://x.com/benphillips76/status/2051909751076975056?s=46

This might come as news to you but many Jews face horrific antisemitic abuse and it's minimised and justified, not least by Mr Polanski's party colleagues. He's far from alone. Maybe it's time he spoke against it?

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 10:43

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 10:11

You presented the video as ‘evidence’ that ‘the media are lying to you’. That’s precisely what TR’s supporters do. See also Reform’s “we can’t be anti-immigrant because we have immigrants as members”.

It’s about as sophisticated an argument as “some of my best friends are black”.

I feel like you're projecting here.

wecangoupupup · 06/05/2026 10:49

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 10:42

This might come as news to you but many Jews face horrific antisemitic abuse and it's minimised and justified, not least by Mr Polanski's party colleagues. He's far from alone. Maybe it's time he spoke against it?

He has spoken against it. Why are you condoning antisemitism against a man because you don’t like his political views?

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 10:50

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 10:43

I feel like you're projecting here.

Projecting what?

KeeperOfTheSevenKeys · 06/05/2026 10:50

wecangoupupup · 06/05/2026 10:49

He has spoken against it. Why are you condoning antisemitism against a man because you don’t like his political views?

If he's so against antisemitism then why does he allow antisemites to be picked as candidates?

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 11:01

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 10:50

Projecting what?

Projecting the assumption that I’m making the same argument as those people, instead of actually responding to what I said.

Eskarina1 · 06/05/2026 11:05

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 09:52

Every time Tommy Ten Names marches there will be at least one video of Muslim and/or Black people saying that they can go along and don’t feel threatened. That doesn’t make it a majority view.

This isn't at least one video. It's large numbers of photographs of big groups of Jewish people over consistent numbers of marches. It's sections of marches dedicated to Jewish people. It's high profile Jewish people discussing how they've been treated for expressing concern about Israels actions in Palestine. It's ordinary Jewish people on this board and elsewhere describing that they feel unheard and that their identity is being erased and describing their experiences of going on these marches.

Did you see the interview with Trevor Mcdonald and ZP where ZP described several recent incidents of antisemitism towards him and said that he was very well aware of the rising threat to Jewish people and that his comments about perception of unsafety specifically related to the narrative around the Palestine marches and Jewish people feeling threatened and whether that was a real or perceived threat when these marches included hundreds of Jewish people? Trevor McDonald's reply was "so how do you convince a stabbing victim that it's all in his head?" Which was just so bizarrely far removed from everything ZP had just said.

Have you seen him explicitly telling people not to vote for the candidates that made those antisemitic tweets? Or the explanations about why the process is slow. Because both these things are out there.

I tthink it's obvious their governance isn't designed for a mainstream party. I also think there's so much narrative that the Green party is antisemitic that obviously antisemitic people are going to try and join. But I do not trust the media narrative that the party is deliberately antisemitic. And I'm not going to turn away from a party I've supported for 30+ years because of information I don't trust.

Another example of why would be the Times, very vocal about how bad ZP is but also published a cartoon of him that is genuinely antisemitic. Noone accidentally caricatures a Jewish man with a nose like that.

I think we all need to be very careful. Are we being encouraged to hate specific groups or to other them?

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 11:10

wecangoupupup · 06/05/2026 10:49

He has spoken against it. Why are you condoning antisemitism against a man because you don’t like his political views?

Am I? Where?

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 11:12

Eskarina1 · 06/05/2026 11:05

This isn't at least one video. It's large numbers of photographs of big groups of Jewish people over consistent numbers of marches. It's sections of marches dedicated to Jewish people. It's high profile Jewish people discussing how they've been treated for expressing concern about Israels actions in Palestine. It's ordinary Jewish people on this board and elsewhere describing that they feel unheard and that their identity is being erased and describing their experiences of going on these marches.

Did you see the interview with Trevor Mcdonald and ZP where ZP described several recent incidents of antisemitism towards him and said that he was very well aware of the rising threat to Jewish people and that his comments about perception of unsafety specifically related to the narrative around the Palestine marches and Jewish people feeling threatened and whether that was a real or perceived threat when these marches included hundreds of Jewish people? Trevor McDonald's reply was "so how do you convince a stabbing victim that it's all in his head?" Which was just so bizarrely far removed from everything ZP had just said.

Have you seen him explicitly telling people not to vote for the candidates that made those antisemitic tweets? Or the explanations about why the process is slow. Because both these things are out there.

I tthink it's obvious their governance isn't designed for a mainstream party. I also think there's so much narrative that the Green party is antisemitic that obviously antisemitic people are going to try and join. But I do not trust the media narrative that the party is deliberately antisemitic. And I'm not going to turn away from a party I've supported for 30+ years because of information I don't trust.

Another example of why would be the Times, very vocal about how bad ZP is but also published a cartoon of him that is genuinely antisemitic. Noone accidentally caricatures a Jewish man with a nose like that.

I think we all need to be very careful. Are we being encouraged to hate specific groups or to other them?

Sunk cost fallacy.

Castellio · 06/05/2026 11:14

KeeperOfTheSevenKeys · 06/05/2026 10:50

If he's so against antisemitism then why does he allow antisemites to be picked as candidates?

If he was against antisemitism he would have drop kicked Mothin Ali and every other person who defends or exposes anti semetic view into the long grass years ago. It would have sent a very strident message. But he hasn’t. Why not?

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 11:14

BeFirmHedgehog · 06/05/2026 10:36

I agree that all 3 attacks should be reported. What is the conspiracy theory? That is a fact.

I expect we all on this thread agree that all 3 attacks should be reported.

They were all reported.

The conspiracy is the suggestion from an AI-generated news aggregator and campaigning platform that they weren't, which was then repeated by the Greens.

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BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 11:29

Eskarina1 · 06/05/2026 11:05

This isn't at least one video. It's large numbers of photographs of big groups of Jewish people over consistent numbers of marches. It's sections of marches dedicated to Jewish people. It's high profile Jewish people discussing how they've been treated for expressing concern about Israels actions in Palestine. It's ordinary Jewish people on this board and elsewhere describing that they feel unheard and that their identity is being erased and describing their experiences of going on these marches.

Did you see the interview with Trevor Mcdonald and ZP where ZP described several recent incidents of antisemitism towards him and said that he was very well aware of the rising threat to Jewish people and that his comments about perception of unsafety specifically related to the narrative around the Palestine marches and Jewish people feeling threatened and whether that was a real or perceived threat when these marches included hundreds of Jewish people? Trevor McDonald's reply was "so how do you convince a stabbing victim that it's all in his head?" Which was just so bizarrely far removed from everything ZP had just said.

Have you seen him explicitly telling people not to vote for the candidates that made those antisemitic tweets? Or the explanations about why the process is slow. Because both these things are out there.

I tthink it's obvious their governance isn't designed for a mainstream party. I also think there's so much narrative that the Green party is antisemitic that obviously antisemitic people are going to try and join. But I do not trust the media narrative that the party is deliberately antisemitic. And I'm not going to turn away from a party I've supported for 30+ years because of information I don't trust.

Another example of why would be the Times, very vocal about how bad ZP is but also published a cartoon of him that is genuinely antisemitic. Noone accidentally caricatures a Jewish man with a nose like that.

I think we all need to be very careful. Are we being encouraged to hate specific groups or to other them?

It is a reality that large numbers of Jewish people feel unsafe going into the centres of cities when these marches take place. That is a fact. It is also a fact that when people chant “globalise the intifada” that creates a hostile environment for Jews.

The idea of ‘the right type of Jew’ is not a new one. Neither is it controversial to suggest that anti-Zionism isn’t a mainstream Jewish belief. The fact is many ‘anti Zionists’ struggle to be able to understand the difference between objecting to individual Israeli government policies and objecting to the existence of the state of Israel in any form.

I have said earlier in this thread that imo the Times cartoon is antisemitic. I’ve no doubt that ZP faces antisemitism. As I’ve no doubt Black politicians on the right face racism. Neither of those things change the nature of the parties they support or the type of views they court.

In relation to having supported the party for 30 odd years, here is an example of your newer members. I posted it on another thread, where it was dismissed as a bot. It isn’t, it’s from a woman who stood for election for the Greens n 2024

AIBU to think this Green Party response raises antisemitism concerns?
BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 11:30

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 11:01

Projecting the assumption that I’m making the same argument as those people, instead of actually responding to what I said.

What’s your argument then?

EdgyNavyHiker · 06/05/2026 11:32

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 11:12

Sunk cost fallacy.

Did you see the deputy leader justify the October 7th attacks and encourage members who have been suspended for antisemitism to sue? Seems to go a bit beyond a few bad apples.

KeeperOfTheSevenKeys · 06/05/2026 12:05

Eskarina1 · 06/05/2026 11:05

This isn't at least one video. It's large numbers of photographs of big groups of Jewish people over consistent numbers of marches. It's sections of marches dedicated to Jewish people. It's high profile Jewish people discussing how they've been treated for expressing concern about Israels actions in Palestine. It's ordinary Jewish people on this board and elsewhere describing that they feel unheard and that their identity is being erased and describing their experiences of going on these marches.

Did you see the interview with Trevor Mcdonald and ZP where ZP described several recent incidents of antisemitism towards him and said that he was very well aware of the rising threat to Jewish people and that his comments about perception of unsafety specifically related to the narrative around the Palestine marches and Jewish people feeling threatened and whether that was a real or perceived threat when these marches included hundreds of Jewish people? Trevor McDonald's reply was "so how do you convince a stabbing victim that it's all in his head?" Which was just so bizarrely far removed from everything ZP had just said.

Have you seen him explicitly telling people not to vote for the candidates that made those antisemitic tweets? Or the explanations about why the process is slow. Because both these things are out there.

I tthink it's obvious their governance isn't designed for a mainstream party. I also think there's so much narrative that the Green party is antisemitic that obviously antisemitic people are going to try and join. But I do not trust the media narrative that the party is deliberately antisemitic. And I'm not going to turn away from a party I've supported for 30+ years because of information I don't trust.

Another example of why would be the Times, very vocal about how bad ZP is but also published a cartoon of him that is genuinely antisemitic. Noone accidentally caricatures a Jewish man with a nose like that.

I think we all need to be very careful. Are we being encouraged to hate specific groups or to other them?

Why is Feda Shahin still a candidate? Would you vote for her? What about Sabine Mairey? Joe Belcher? Raja Ateeq?