Labour are totally toast in Thursday’s elections

[Nicewoman]

I can’t wait for Thursday. Labour are finished. Not a single moment too soon. Happy Dayz

Extent as in long term. These are local councillor elections somewhat off a general election. Bring on Reform “success” on Thursday. Nothing like seeing them in action to completely display the lies, ignorance, ineptitude and self interest of all within the party and what it stands for.

Again, you ignore the devolved elections.

Do Wales and Scotland not count?

TBH I don’t think it’s in Labour’s interests to do very badly but not so badly that Starmer has to walk. That way a deeply unpopular government led by a deeply unpopular PM just staggers on to oblivion. At least a change at the top would be a chance for some Labour recovery. A new PM might turn out even worse, but s/he might not.

But I think you’re right anyway. Losing outright control of Wales would/will do for Starmer by itself. That would be a massive, massive defeat for the party, and if they come 3rd or 4th it’s a catastrophe.

Just one in seven Britons approve of the government’s record to date

Key takeaways

• 68% of Britons, including 48% of 2024 Labour voters, disapprove of the government’s record in office
• The economy and immigration are currently seen as the most important issues facing the country
• Just 22% of Britons believe Keir Starmer is doing well as prime minister
• 72-75% of Britons feel the government are handling the issues around immigration, the economy and taxation badly
• While belief Kemi Badenoch looks like a prime minister in waiting has risen over the last year, to 22%, most Britons still think she does not

Source: YouGov 30 April, 26

What was in the rest of your last bullet point please? It cut off midway.

The elections in Wales aren't local. Please don't wish Reform on us! Not that they are likely to win power.

No, that was it.

Just missing a full stop.

South Wales - arguably the birthplace of Labour.

It’s hard to overstate how seismic, Labour’s loss of Wales, would prove.

Ah, got you. So 78% don't think she looks like a PM in waiting. Will have a look at the survey, thank you.

It's cut & paste in its entirety here...

Where does political opinion stand ahead of the 2026 local and devolved elections? https://share.google/3GlVMjQJ8iHjmCIHe

It’s the equivalent of one in Wales and Scotland.

Welcome.

I think the first four bullet points are more salient, but OK.

You’d think so.

I don’t disagree with most of what you’ve said but I think a lot of the Reform vote will be a protest vote and a kick up the arse for the other parties rather than a serious attempt to get them to form a government.

Everyone I talk to who is voting Reform is fed up of uncontrolled migration, small boat rapists being allowed to walk the streets, largely unvetted young men being housed near schools and more and more taxation from working people while the welfare bill rises and is completely unsustainable.

I’ve said before on here - there is no truth, only perception - as said by Gustave Flaubert - reality and “the truth” is subjective and filtered through different realities. So it doesn’t really matter if Reform spouts a false narrative, if it aligns with people’s sense of reality, they will perceive it to be true.

Yes of course they are. I simply misunderstood and thought something was missing on that last bullet point. Don't read so much into it!

Anyway the survey is very interesting. This in particular says a lot, not only about Starmer's lethally low levels of unpopularity, but the views on politicians on general. The Zack Polanski result is really interesting to me.

Eta: thanks for the link @Upstartled

Our Labour council could probably outdo the wasted money spent by PP's Reform council. Their financial mismanagement is awful (buy retail property which was never going to make a profit; wasting millions on construction projects gone wrong due to their failure to plan and / or tender properly; seemingly no penalty clauses in construction contracts meaning they go over time and are allowed to go massively over budget; paying for an artist to do a massive mural on a building, which they then demolish a relatively short time later). The list goes on and on.

What would Labour supporters consider a good result for Labour on Thursday? Of the 2557 seats being defended, how many seats are you expecting/ hoping for them to retain. And how many seats in the Senedd would you consider a good result?

I think the ‘false narrative’ genie was well out of the bottle during the 2024 GE.

Sunak called out Starmer both on taxation, and immigration policy, numerous times. He was proven right, very quickly.

Evidently, no political party has a monopoly on ‘false narratives’….

I do find it fascinating.

Uncontrolled migration? Increased since Brexit. Farage's policy.
Small boat rapists? They don't give a shit if the rapist is British. I know this because I was raped by a British Z list celebrity. They strangely enough had no comment on that.

Much as I understand frustration, I like to quote Stewart Lee on people thinking of voting Reform as a protest vote. Well he was talking about UKIP but it still stands. Just rebadging really isn't it?

That is interesting @ConcernedForWales . The "unfavorability" ratings are the ones I'd look at. I'm shocked Farage's are worse than Badenoch. With so many so high, all elections from this point could be a "least worst" vote rather than a "vote for".

People who are relatively unknown do quite well on these popularity polls. Once people catch up with the policies of the antisimitic tit-whisperer, that will hopefully change.

No - what I imagine happens is, people tell you but you don’t listen. It’s some sort of niche, hearing deformity a lot you on the left suffer from

Don't want policies to only favour the old? Turn out if there is an election in your area.

Why shocked? She is going up in ratings each week, others bar ZP are going down. Not sure about ED.

I find any popularity of Badenoch baffling. I don't see any competence so far. Also many of her colleagues and ex colleagues seem to be departing for Reform. (Except Truss, even Reform see her has toxic despite Farage LOVING her disastrous budget.)