Labour are totally toast in Thursday’s elections

[Nicewoman]

I can’t wait for Thursday. Labour are finished. Not a single moment too soon. Happy Dayz

But in reality, Blair has been their only leader in the last 3/4 decades who was any good and understood what the people wanted and what it took to win a GE! Before Blair we had Kinnock who hadn't a hope of ever winning a GE. Then before Starmer we had Corbyn who hadn't a hope of winning a GE. (Not to mention Brown who spent years plotting to get rid of Blair and then managed only a couple of years before losing a GE).

Nail on the head.

Trouble is that "normal" people don't want to end up as a Minister or Prime Minister. Loads of back bench MPs who are "normal" but really don't want the madness of high office which is why they never put themselves forward.

Look at Tim Farron, "Normal person", didn't last long as leader of the Lib Dems because he was hounded by the left and the media and resigned due to the pressure they put him under. He'd have made a brilliant prime minister, and given the self destruction of both Labour and the Tories, the Libdems could really have done well with a good leader. Look at how popular they were under Nick Clegg! They're going nowhere under their current leader who is more hopeless than Starmer, which is quite an achievement.

Reform have demonstrated that they are absolutely hopeless at running councils - be careful what you wish for !!

Councils are toast.

Gold plated pensions for the top dogs means bankruptcy sooner or later.

They have too many bills and not enough money.
Adult social care costs a fortune. Our council has tried shutting a service to outrage from the people who send family there.

I can't pay more tax and I don't want to.
Something has to give.

Our local candidate is the current leader of our council . He is also a Tory , a party that in a general election I would never , ever vote for but this guy is brillant at what he does
I vote for him as the council is run efficiently and efficiently under his leadership
This is not about voting for the same party that you would in a general election . You’re not voting for your Mp or your Prime Minister .
Reform have shown that they’re hopeless at running councils . Many of them have quit. Green have little experience too .
Do your research and educate yourselves on how local elections work as many people clearly don’t understand !

So you can't actually articulate specifically which part of what I said that you disagree with?

Not sure why you need more info. You’re inconsistent when it comes to people without degrees. Some are denigrated others not.

The irony of your username…!

I’m a long time Labour voter who lives in a Tory stronghold. My vote has never counted since I’ve lived in this area. However given the fact that Reform are increasing in popularity round here, for the first (and hopefully only!) time, I will be voting Conservative purely as a tactical vote to stop Reform getting in. They’ve been a disaster in nearby council and raised council tax by 8%.
Conservative are the lesser of the two evils.

Saying that you think I'm inconsistent isn't the same as disagreeing with something that I've actually said.

I've already explained why I think Angela Rayner is much better informed about our political system than the Reform voters that I've described who don't appear to understand which issues are managed by local councils and which issues are managed by Westminster, so I don't accept that I have been inconsistent. And as you have not been able to articulate exactly what it is that I have said that you claim to disagree with, I can only conclude that you are just disagreeing with me for the sake of it.

I’m being pretty blunt about what I mean, it’s to point out your double standards when it comes to people without degrees.

Who are you voting for on Thurs, fellow Scot?
I'm politically homeless!!

Lib Dem run my council and are shockingly shut. Iceould NEVER vote for them. Luckily we have good independents locally too who at least try and hold them to account.

No local elections here, but I think Labour have been an absolute disgrace and are running thr country into the ground. I can't wait to see the back.of them. The party I feel closest to are the Lib Dems.

There are no double standards. I've already explained what I think the difference is, but you have chosen not to engage directly with any of those points to say why you think they're invalid I'm not sure if that's because you are unable to comprehend the points or if you are simply unable to find a way of rebutting them, but as per usual, you just keep repeating yourself without actually answering the points that I've made. I've noticed that this is pretty much the pattern with you in every debate. It gets a little boring, I'm afraid, because all conversations with you just end up going round in circles.

Oh I agree 10000%

I’ve noticed your posts are like this every time so there’s no point.

I'm struggling tbh. I watched the Leaders Debate on STV today - it was very good.

And here are some numbers that do add up in Reform-led councils

Around 10% of their councillors gone through suspension, resignation, defection or being kicked out

50% cut to pothole repair spending in North Warwickshire

Council tax UP by as much as 8.9% in areas they control despite promises to cut it without cutting services

£75,000 spent on flags in Nottinghamshire while charges for social care went up

Have (m)any people on this thread said they're planning on voting for Reform? There are other parties available if you don't want to vote Labour.

I’ll be voting Labour. They’re the best of a bad bunch, admittedly, but I would like to see them do well. The alternative in our area is too bad to contemplate.

My postal vote has already gone in for Reform - a tactical vote to keep out Labour.

Just as voters did to keep out the Tories in the 2024 GE.

It's not a given that people saying they're not impressed with Labour are going to vote for Reform though, as some Labour diehards seem to think.

I don't want Labour or Reform to run my local council (Reform locally have imploded this last fortnight though, so I'm not even sure who's still standing, so it's a good job I don't intend on voting for them!).

Right - the two party politics is clearly over.

I would never vote Labour, and I suspect those who now regret voting for them in the last GE, will now largely choose the Greens.

We will have an increasingly fragmented political landscape, not helped by the FPTP system, which also does not lend itself to coalitions.

Political legitimacy for any government will now prove interesting…

£75 000 on flags-😱!!! How can anybody anywhere justify that? How? That could have funded 5 full time TAs.

I’ll be voting Labour as will most I know. After 24 years of decimation, sleeze, ineptitude and Brexit starting to bite this term was always going to be hard hence the Tories running for the hills.