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AIBU?

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AirborneElephant · Today 12:10

Inburess · 30/04/2026 21:29

I’m looking at a similar house (in a slightly different area) and I suppose wanted to know what people would think of me if I lived somewhere like that! I know it’s shallow!

I’m really confused. Do you want to be seen as “middle class” or as “run of the mill”? Neither are very informative terms. If your house budget is around £700k then realistically you are middle class, What people think of your house will depend on the specific estate and your own taste in decoration. It’s a new build, so clearly more “run of the mill” than some unique listed building, but that’s fine. Are you really going to buy a different house because people on mumsnet don’t like hot tubs or new builds?

Scarlettpixie · Today 12:17

What house you live in doesn't really determine what class you are. It's more about what you can afford.

In this area, if I had to label it, I would say it is middle to upper middle class house. It's in a nice area. For comparison, I have a professional job and am from working class parents. I live in a 4 bed £450K house which is a bit less fancy in a slightly cheaper area. I can just about afford it as a single person in my 50s as I got on the property ladder in my 20's so have equity, and I inherited some money from my parents.

I am probably middle class although I think it covers a wide range. My goal is to downsize and pay off my mortgage in the next 10 years. I don't think my class will change if I move to a cheaper 3 bed.

Had I stayed married and my husband earned the same as me we would be able to afford that house, although as ours is plenty big enough and still in a nice area, we would probably stay put, spend money on this one, over pay on the mortgage and pensions, travel more and have more pets. I would pay someone to clean and decorate.

As another poster said, the people who know you won't think any different regardless of your house choice and those you don't know, don't matter.

changedusername190 · Today 12:26

The garden seems to small for the house which is trying to hide being a new build. If it was a middle class home I would expect it to have a rambling garden and top class furnishings rather the ones it currently has which look like they come from b&q or similar.

Londonmummy66 · Today 13:08

pinck · Yesterday 21:58

What the fuck are you even on about? I’m not saying books are clutter in general, but when you’re trying to showcase a space, yeah—they go. That’s literally how staging works. You strip out anything personal so people focus on the house, not your life. Would you leave dog beds, laundry, or random piles of stuff out? No. Because then it looks lived-in in a way that doesn’t sell well.

Taking out dog beds and kids’ toys doesn’t mean you don’t have them, and removing books doesn’t mean you don’t read—it means you understand basic marketing. It is genuinely embarrassing that you think a marketing brochure is a window into someone’s soul. Also, houses are often staged after the owner has already moved out because not everyone is so financially squeezed that they have to live in their old house while selling it like you probably would.

When my parents sold their multi-million dollar property—in an area far beyond the reach of most people on this thread—their realtor swapped out even their curated furniture for neutral pieces, recognizing that my parents’ personal style is not universal, only keeping a few things like their Hermès armchair and a $30k grey sofa in the basement to serve as neutral anchors. I did the exact same thing when I sold my last house; it’s standard practice for anyone who actually knows what they’re doing in a high-end market.

ETA: I had a quick browse on Rightmove and yeah… if you’re used to looking at low-rent listings where people leave all their shit out and take photos on an iPhone mid-chaos, then I get why actual professional staging is confusing to you. You’re literally too small-time to understand the market you're judging.

And yes—realtor. I’m American, calm down. AIBU genuinely has to be about 90% rage-bait at this point, because there’s no way this many people are truly this far out of their depth 😭

This has to be the most low class post on a pretty declasse thread....

Pessismistic · Today 13:39

Op if you can afford it go for it why would you let others put you off. You should not feel guilty for being able to afford such a lovely house. I have friend’s and family who have similar I don’t see any class I just see they have done well for themselves and good on them.

Shortsally42 · Today 13:41

Londonmummy66 · Today 13:08

This has to be the most low class post on a pretty declasse thread....

Yep and written by AI, with swear words added

Sheldonsheher · Today 14:22

also what used to be considered middle class professions and income ….. in realty now the lifestyle you can achieve on theses current income is less exciting than people think. Is there even many middle class people left. This house is probably what you can afford working what previously were solid middle class jobs."Viva la revolución”

pinck · Today 14:32

bohemianwrapsody · Today 11:27

@pinckand, in response to the second "pathetic" listing you've posted here with the hoover in shot. They have a chair in the shower and the house is chain free. That is quite clearly the home of somebody older who has either gone into a care home, or who has died. Shame on you for critiquing it over a hoover.

Spare me the "it's disrespectful" lecture. My grandma died last year at 98, and she spent the end of her life in hospice so I know exactly what end-of-life care looks like. But unlike these people, my family didn't put her house on the market looking like this. There is a massive, gaping difference between honoring a memory and being too lazy to put a vacuum cleaner away or clear out a shower chair before listing a property. If you can’t be bothered to spend a few hours cleaning a house that you’re about to collect a massive paycheck for, that’s not "grief"—that’s just blatant negligence.

You’re trying to use someone’s death as a shield for lazy estate management, and it’s transparent. The people who are responsible for the listing are the ones currently breathing, yet they couldn't be bothered to show enough respect to the property or the potential buyer to clear the clutter. They are looking to extract maximum value from that house yet they won't put in the bare minimum effort to present it with even a shred of dignity. If you’re going to list a property, you do it properly; dragging the deceased into your defense of sloppy, lazy work is the only truly disrespectful thing happening in this conversation.

bohemianwrapsody · Today 14:50

pinck · Today 14:32

Spare me the "it's disrespectful" lecture. My grandma died last year at 98, and she spent the end of her life in hospice so I know exactly what end-of-life care looks like. But unlike these people, my family didn't put her house on the market looking like this. There is a massive, gaping difference between honoring a memory and being too lazy to put a vacuum cleaner away or clear out a shower chair before listing a property. If you can’t be bothered to spend a few hours cleaning a house that you’re about to collect a massive paycheck for, that’s not "grief"—that’s just blatant negligence.

You’re trying to use someone’s death as a shield for lazy estate management, and it’s transparent. The people who are responsible for the listing are the ones currently breathing, yet they couldn't be bothered to show enough respect to the property or the potential buyer to clear the clutter. They are looking to extract maximum value from that house yet they won't put in the bare minimum effort to present it with even a shred of dignity. If you’re going to list a property, you do it properly; dragging the deceased into your defense of sloppy, lazy work is the only truly disrespectful thing happening in this conversation.

What's more lazy though? Failing to move a hoover, or using AI to write your posts?

Perhaps if you didn't regard books as clutter you'd be able to write all by yourself.

Differentforgirls · Today 14:56

pinck · Today 14:32

Spare me the "it's disrespectful" lecture. My grandma died last year at 98, and she spent the end of her life in hospice so I know exactly what end-of-life care looks like. But unlike these people, my family didn't put her house on the market looking like this. There is a massive, gaping difference between honoring a memory and being too lazy to put a vacuum cleaner away or clear out a shower chair before listing a property. If you can’t be bothered to spend a few hours cleaning a house that you’re about to collect a massive paycheck for, that’s not "grief"—that’s just blatant negligence.

You’re trying to use someone’s death as a shield for lazy estate management, and it’s transparent. The people who are responsible for the listing are the ones currently breathing, yet they couldn't be bothered to show enough respect to the property or the potential buyer to clear the clutter. They are looking to extract maximum value from that house yet they won't put in the bare minimum effort to present it with even a shred of dignity. If you’re going to list a property, you do it properly; dragging the deceased into your defense of sloppy, lazy work is the only truly disrespectful thing happening in this conversation.

Think you might need to calm down a bit and realise that your experience in another country really has fuck all to do with this scenario.

I think it’s a nice house though not to my taste.

My house was built in 1898. It’s a semi detached red sandstone cottage situated in a private road, which is a cul de sac and has an entrance to a rambling wood. We get loads of dog walkers. All of the houses are sandstone properties. Some are massive. Others are like mine. Not gigantic but bigger than most new builds.

We have high ceilings, ceiling roses, picture rails, open fire places, the original coal house and laundry in the back garden, book cases, lovely pictures on the walls, loads of vinyl including my parent’s, other stuff that belonged to my parents and grandparents. I could go on but I won’t.

I love my house. According to some on here, I am middle class. I’m not. I’m working class.

How can you assign a class to a house?

pinck · Today 15:09

Differentforgirls · Today 14:56

Think you might need to calm down a bit and realise that your experience in another country really has fuck all to do with this scenario.

I think it’s a nice house though not to my taste.

My house was built in 1898. It’s a semi detached red sandstone cottage situated in a private road, which is a cul de sac and has an entrance to a rambling wood. We get loads of dog walkers. All of the houses are sandstone properties. Some are massive. Others are like mine. Not gigantic but bigger than most new builds.

We have high ceilings, ceiling roses, picture rails, open fire places, the original coal house and laundry in the back garden, book cases, lovely pictures on the walls, loads of vinyl including my parent’s, other stuff that belonged to my parents and grandparents. I could go on but I won’t.

I love my house. According to some on here, I am middle class. I’m not. I’m working class.

How can you assign a class to a house?

Oh, don't worry, there's a simple algorithm: if your walls aren't lined with books you’ve clearly never read and you’re branded a "footballer’s wife."

pinck · Today 15:14

bohemianwrapsody · Today 14:50

What's more lazy though? Failing to move a hoover, or using AI to write your posts?

Perhaps if you didn't regard books as clutter you'd be able to write all by yourself.

"You're a bot" is the absolute bottom of the barrel when you've run out of actual arguments. And let's be real: books aren't clutter in a home, but they absolutely are when you're trying to sell your house. Buyers want a blank canvas, not to stare at your personal collection of dust-gathering paperbacks. If you want to sell, clear your shit out. HTH.

bohemianwrapsody · Today 15:31

pinck · Today 15:14

"You're a bot" is the absolute bottom of the barrel when you've run out of actual arguments. And let's be real: books aren't clutter in a home, but they absolutely are when you're trying to sell your house. Buyers want a blank canvas, not to stare at your personal collection of dust-gathering paperbacks. If you want to sell, clear your shit out. HTH.

I just found it amusingly ironic.

You are using AI to write your posts. There are several unmistakable signs. I'd bet my very small house and my DFS sofa on it.

AfternoonVanessa · Today 15:38

So what is recommended if you're looking to house 1000 books in your new home?
Fwiw I don't buy houses without bookcases or somewhere to put them. It's called a library wall. Don't get me started on colour blocking them either, my author mother would turn in her grave!
And yes I have owned multiple £1m houses in my time @pinck

The English do love their books, tat and bone shaker Agas!

pinck · Today 16:14

AfternoonVanessa · Today 15:38

So what is recommended if you're looking to house 1000 books in your new home?
Fwiw I don't buy houses without bookcases or somewhere to put them. It's called a library wall. Don't get me started on colour blocking them either, my author mother would turn in her grave!
And yes I have owned multiple £1m houses in my time @pinck

The English do love their books, tat and bone shaker Agas!

Well then, you sound like the sort of person who’d pass on their dream home because they don’t like the paint color, which says more about your lack of imagination than anything else. If you were as well off as you claim, you’d know that bookshelves—or literally anything else you might want—can be added. I show my dogs and wanted a house with a proper grooming room and built-in dog baths. Obviously I couldn’t find one like that so I added it myself.

user4903456342 · Today 16:28

pinck · Today 16:14

Well then, you sound like the sort of person who’d pass on their dream home because they don’t like the paint color, which says more about your lack of imagination than anything else. If you were as well off as you claim, you’d know that bookshelves—or literally anything else you might want—can be added. I show my dogs and wanted a house with a proper grooming room and built-in dog baths. Obviously I couldn’t find one like that so I added it myself.

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You're literally the person making the argument that all houses should be emptied out and staged as neutrally as possible in order to sell them, which is fundamentally at odds with what you've just posted. You're also kind of rude.

By the way, we have a library. If we took all the books out it would look very odd, indeed. And I've never had a problem selling a house.

Northermcharn · Today 16:29

In parts of West London it'd be a multi millionaires house, other places not so much

bohemianwrapsody · Today 16:45

pinck · Today 16:14

Well then, you sound like the sort of person who’d pass on their dream home because they don’t like the paint color, which says more about your lack of imagination than anything else. If you were as well off as you claim, you’d know that bookshelves—or literally anything else you might want—can be added. I show my dogs and wanted a house with a proper grooming room and built-in dog baths. Obviously I couldn’t find one like that so I added it myself.

Edited

You're contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say that houses should be emptied of books because buyers would struggle to imagine it being their own home otherwise. On the other, if somebody cannot imagine their own possessions in an empty space they lack imagination. Does imagination only work one way then, to add rather than remove?

If that's the case then hopefully you won't want to be selling your house ever. Because if buyers are put off by the sight of mere possessions, they're going to have a real issue with the prospect of ripping out dog baths.

AfternoonVanessa · Today 16:46

pinck · Today 16:14

Well then, you sound like the sort of person who’d pass on their dream home because they don’t like the paint color, which says more about your lack of imagination than anything else. If you were as well off as you claim, you’d know that bookshelves—or literally anything else you might want—can be added. I show my dogs and wanted a house with a proper grooming room and built-in dog baths. Obviously I couldn’t find one like that so I added it myself.

Edited

Well aren't you rude. 'The sort of person?'
Actually I'm above middle class and I don't give a stuff about paint colours. My staff do that.

Try not to insult other women with your acid tongue. It's not good manners.

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