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MulberryBrandy · 30/04/2026 23:18

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Hi from an apparent financial parasite and low-educated local. The Tamar is looking good today - glittering with lights from Devonport. I have also worked and lived in Greater London for many years. May I help you?

Allisnotlost1 · 30/04/2026 23:19

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I know you’re really rich and clever, so this shouldn’t be hard, but do you think you could learn how to use the quote function? It would make your blathering much easier to follow.

If it helps, I lived in London for 42 years, earn in the top 2% and I’m not white. Thank you ☺️

oopsBSoD · 30/04/2026 23:19

What's that old saying about trolls and feeding them?

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 23:21

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I see you've realised that your posts have exposed your anti-Semitism so you've decided to try to rebadge yourself as anti racist.

People have read your posts. You're about as anti racist as Rupert Lowe. He would probably be quite a fan of your diatribes against the evils of having to pay tax to support the povvos, as well.

DannyDeever · 30/04/2026 23:22

ClaireByrne1987 · 30/04/2026 22:55

But it's not that simple. This is someone who has British citizenship and has lived in UK since they were a small child. It's not someone who is a non-citizen and arrived last week.

Are you saying that anyone who didn't receive British citizenship at birth should lose their citizenship if they "commit a violent crime"? Maybe you're going further and saying that anyone born outside the UK (e.g. Boris Johnson) should lose their citizenship if they "commit a violent crime"? Are you or your family in the group of people who could be affected by this - or is this just something that will apply to "other" people?

I want rid of a lot of white British natives who commit violent crimes, but are we just stuck with those?

So you're saying if I lived in Somalia since I was a young child and committed a violent crime the Somalis would be racist if they removed my Somali citizenship and deported me back to the UK?

Clavinova · 30/04/2026 23:26

ClaireByrne1987 · 30/04/2026 23:08

So you have two classes of citizenship: those who cannot be stripped of British citizenship (native population who have no ancestry elsewhere) - they get to stay; those who have entitlement to live elsewhere - they get deported. Different punishments for the native population compared with the rest.

Do you appreciate that some people will have been born in the UK but will not have had British citizenship from birth. Are they also to be deported?

All Jewish people are entitled to Israeli citizenship? So all Jewish people who commit serious crimes be stripped of their British citizenship.

Really the whole "deport the criminals" thing, at least when applied to British citizens, just devolves into a different lesser punishment for those with white British native ancestry and a greater punishment for those with any other ancestry. And the effect has been millions of people in the UK increasingly fearful of their rights and their children's rights and status. Every day Reform talk about breaking some treaty and stripping some more rights from those with foreign ancestry. And as the cherry on the cake, the same people who spout this hate preach to us about Jewish people living in fear (which is true) while they are inflicting just as much fear on us.

Under section 40(2) of the British Nationality Act (BNA) 1981, the Secretary of State may by order deprive a person of British citizenship status, (or citizenship as a British Overseas Territories Citizen, British Overseas Citizen, British National (Overseas), British Protected Person or British Subject) if they are satisfied that such action is conducive to the public good.

“Conducive to the public good” means that it is in the public interest to deprive a person of British citizenship because of their conduct and / or the threat they pose to the UK. Examples of when a person can be deprived of British citizenship on the ground that it is conducive to the public good include, but are not limited to:

  • the interests of national security, for reasons relating to terrorism, hostile state activity, or any other reason
  • where the person has been involved in serious organised crime
  • where the person has been involved in war crimes, crimes against humanity, or other unacceptable behaviour
DannyDeever · 30/04/2026 23:29

So you have two classes of citizenship: those who cannot be stripped of British citizenship (native population who have no ancestry elsewhere) - they get to stay; those who have entitlement to live elsewhere - they get deported. Different punishments for the native population compared with the rest.

Deportation isn't a punishment, it's what you do after the punishment.

And yes, if someone has dual citizenship strip them of UK citizenship and kick them out. Of course the other country might get there first which would prevent that, but you can't win them all.

But yes let's deport all the violent nutters we can. It's just a shame we can't deport home grown violent nutters as we used to in the days when they ended up in Austrailia.

Dollymylove · 30/04/2026 23:29

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Well it was good enough for Shamima Begum wasnt it? She is the very least of the the country's problems right now.
The Golders green attacker had already stabbed a policeman 7 times. He was born in Somalia so he can fuck off back there.
Oh and while we are at it, if you dont like "typical British specimens" who would rather not have imported maniacs wandering around assaulting and murdering our citizens ( we have enough home grown ones thanks very much) please feel free to go elsewhere.
I believe Iran is nice at this time of year!!

ClaireByrne1987 · 30/04/2026 23:35

Boris Johnson was born in the US. If he commits violent crime in the UK should he be stripped of his British citizenship and deported there? He has renounced his US citizenship. How can the UK force the US to admit him?

But the Shamima Begum reference is telling because she was born in the UK to British citizen parents. So you're not just about deporting people born outside the UK, you're about deporting anyone who may have foreign ancestry.

You haven't really thought this true to any extent, have you? But that's okay because it doesn't affect you and your family, does it? Here's an idea, if you want to start applying different rules to British citizens based on their ancestry, let's have a rule where we don't have to pay the escalating benefits for an idle and feckless native population who demand more and more welfare benefits all the time? You see, once you start dividing up the population on ancestry it's not just something that will get applied against the "others" - the "others" will start to apply it to you also. White British children have, statistically, the lowest educational achievement of any ethnic group - maybe it's time that group started to be taxed more to fund remedial education for them.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 30/04/2026 23:38

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I'm completely fine with Hatzolah doing what they do on a voluntary basis - I'm more than fine with it - I think it's great. And I'm completely find with them operating where they want. What I'm not fine with is four ambulances from the NHS London ambulance fleet being taken and gifted to Hatzolah.

Can you remind us why Hatzolah needed new ambulances and how, if they help anyone who needs it the Jews are getting more NHS resources then everyone else? Surely if Jewish people are providing voluntary care, that is easing demand on general NHS resources?

typical middle class Londoner rolls his or her eyes at.

Do you view yourself as a ‘typical middle class Londoner’ by any chance?

DannyDeever · 30/04/2026 23:41

Boris Johnson was born in the US. If he commits violent crime in the UK should he be stripped of his British citizenship and deported there? He has renounced his US citizenship. How can the UK force the US to admit him?

Yes, if Boris Johnson starts cutting people up trying to murder them then I 100% want him deported. Unfortunately, as you say that wouldn't be possible because he's not a US citizen any more and I doubt they'd grant him citizenship after he became a violent criminal.

But yeah, if America gave him US citizenship I'd be glad to see the back of a violent criminal.

Greyblankie · 30/04/2026 23:42

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 23:21

I see you've realised that your posts have exposed your anti-Semitism so you've decided to try to rebadge yourself as anti racist.

People have read your posts. You're about as anti racist as Rupert Lowe. He would probably be quite a fan of your diatribes against the evils of having to pay tax to support the povvos, as well.

To be fair we’d have far fewer Islamic nutters in the country if Rupert Lowe was in charge

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 23:45

I wonder what Dave is complaining about, actually. Getting kicked in the head a few times is far more likely to make someone decide to vote Green.

DannyDeever · 30/04/2026 23:48

But the Shamima Begum reference is telling because she was born in the UK to British citizen parents. So you're not just about deporting people born outside the UK, you're about deporting anyone who may have foreign ancestry.

Also telling that you think that Syria only want rid of Shamima Begum because they're racist. Not because she's a violent Islamist who couldn't wait to join Isis and get hold of some slaves. (and doesn't have a great explanation for why all three of her children died while her and her husband survived uninjured.)

MochaMadness · 30/04/2026 23:54

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 30/04/2026 23:38

I'm completely fine with Hatzolah doing what they do on a voluntary basis - I'm more than fine with it - I think it's great. And I'm completely find with them operating where they want. What I'm not fine with is four ambulances from the NHS London ambulance fleet being taken and gifted to Hatzolah.

Can you remind us why Hatzolah needed new ambulances and how, if they help anyone who needs it the Jews are getting more NHS resources then everyone else? Surely if Jewish people are providing voluntary care, that is easing demand on general NHS resources?

typical middle class Londoner rolls his or her eyes at.

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This!

My elderly mum fell in her flat and we couldnt lift her. She has severe osteoporosis so we had to be careful. 999 said an ambulance would be at least 5 hours as she wasn't in a life threatening condition. A Jewish neighbour told us to call Hatzola. I wasn't aware of them. 2 people arrived within 20 mins. Picked up my mum, checked her over and said she didn't need to go to hospital and I was able to cancel the 999 call.

They were wonderful helpful people and didn't ask or seem to care we weren't Jewish.

So, yes, that was one less call out for the NHS.

ClaireByrne1987 · 30/04/2026 23:56

DannyDeever · 30/04/2026 23:48

But the Shamima Begum reference is telling because she was born in the UK to British citizen parents. So you're not just about deporting people born outside the UK, you're about deporting anyone who may have foreign ancestry.

Also telling that you think that Syria only want rid of Shamima Begum because they're racist. Not because she's a violent Islamist who couldn't wait to join Isis and get hold of some slaves. (and doesn't have a great explanation for why all three of her children died while her and her husband survived uninjured.)

I never said anything about why Syria wanting to get rid of Shamima Begum because they're racist. Shamima Begum was born in UK and had British citizenship from birth. Shamima Begum was not born in Syria and never had Syrian citizenship. Two things are not alike at all.

Do you think any British born British citizens Jewish person who commits a violent crime should be stripped of their British citizenship and deported to Israel? I think that is the logical inference from what you are saying, but would appreciate you confirming directly.

DannyDeever · 30/04/2026 23:59

I never said anything about why Syria wanting to get rid of Shamima Begum because they're racist.

You said:

"He should have been deported the first time time he did it"
Why should he have been deported? He's a British citizen. Is it because he is black?

ClaireByrne1987 · 01/05/2026 00:03

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Of you are an immigrant who has been granted the privilege of British citizenship and you abuse that privilege by raping, murdering or being a terrorist then you have forfeit your right to stay here.
There's already laws and legal framework in place to revoke citizenship for terrorists and murders.
As for those who had citizenship from birth well we are stuck with them and they are our problem unfortunately. We shouldn't also be stuck with imported terrorists.

nomas · 01/05/2026 00:07

DannyDeever · 30/04/2026 23:41

Boris Johnson was born in the US. If he commits violent crime in the UK should he be stripped of his British citizenship and deported there? He has renounced his US citizenship. How can the UK force the US to admit him?

Yes, if Boris Johnson starts cutting people up trying to murder them then I 100% want him deported. Unfortunately, as you say that wouldn't be possible because he's not a US citizen any more and I doubt they'd grant him citizenship after he became a violent criminal.

But yeah, if America gave him US citizenship I'd be glad to see the back of a violent criminal.

What makes you think Somalia would have Essa Suleimani?

Why do you think the USA should have the right to reject those without citizenship but Somalia can’t?

Same old colonial mentality.

nomas · 01/05/2026 00:08

Hoardasurass · 01/05/2026 00:05

Of you are an immigrant who has been granted the privilege of British citizenship and you abuse that privilege by raping, murdering or being a terrorist then you have forfeit your right to stay here.
There's already laws and legal framework in place to revoke citizenship for terrorists and murders.
As for those who had citizenship from birth well we are stuck with them and they are our problem unfortunately. We shouldn't also be stuck with imported terrorists.

So the UK churns out a mentally ill man who stabs people and police dogs and you want to inflict him on war torn Somalia?

DannyDeever · 01/05/2026 00:13

nomas · 01/05/2026 00:07

What makes you think Somalia would have Essa Suleimani?

Why do you think the USA should have the right to reject those without citizenship but Somalia can’t?

Same old colonial mentality.

Quote where I said I "thought" all of those things.

DannyDeever · 01/05/2026 00:15

nomas · 01/05/2026 00:08

So the UK churns out a mentally ill man who stabs people and police dogs and you want to inflict him on war torn Somalia?

Yip, and I'd full expect Somalia to do the same. Why wouldn't they?

Getting rid of violent nutters wherever possible would seems rather sensible policy for both Somalia and the UK.

nomas · 01/05/2026 00:17

DannyDeever · 01/05/2026 00:13

Quote where I said I "thought" all of those things.

DannyDeever · Yesterday 22:45
Dollymylove · Yesterday 22:16
He should have been deported the first time time he did it
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Agree. It will be interesting to learn the detail of exactly why he wasn't deported.

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If I go to Somalia and commit a violent crime I would expect to be deported. They wouldn't be being racist. They'd just quite reasonably want rid of me.

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nomas · 01/05/2026 00:19

DannyDeever · 01/05/2026 00:15

Yip, and I'd full expect Somalia to do the same. Why wouldn't they?

Getting rid of violent nutters wherever possible would seems rather sensible policy for both Somalia and the UK.

That doesn’t answer why Somalia would take him?

The UK raised him, he became mentally ill in the UK, he committed his crimes in the UK. He is not Somalia’s problem.

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