Shocking Britain

[ShockingBritain]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxplq92rx1o

The crime wave from overseas gang led, drug dealing, money laundering, fake cigarettes, etc dominating our High Streets.

It’s got worse, as crime has changed, which is why we need to be careful what we wish for.

violent crime has reduced. So would you rather murders or shoplifting on balance?

secondly money laundering was quite hidden before. In the 2000s-2010s money laundering was via property. When laws were tightened in the property purchase process it created a gap that had to go elsewhere. Banking regulations have also tightened forcing money launderers elsewhere to clean the cash. This is just the latest incarnation.

Why are they not deported - is there a war in Turkey? Or am I allowed to rock up in Turkey and open a fake shop?

In our small town there are six of these dodgy barbershops, three vape shops and three nail bars. At least the nail bars have actual customers all the time. This is why I also support a cashless society and the only reason I do.

How do you know they’re working here illegally? How do you know the workers are even Turkish?

they’re just called Turkish barbers. That’s about as far as it goes, turkey wise 🤣

You seem to have a very low bar in suggesting that we ought to be grateful for this kinder type of crimes.

I don’t care if they are working legally - remove their visas and off they go on the next flight - why are we so toothless?

did you now understand the point of my post? Serious question, not sure whether you’re trying to make a smart comment or don’t get it

Are you always this rude?

Why would you be deporting for if they were working legally?

the point is, they might just be British/ Irish/ totally legal

The people working in the shops aren’t the organised crime bosses

While all that may be true about needing to find new ways to launder the proceeds of crime, I am not sure why we should be careful what we wish for? Why do we have to tolerate more shoplifting in order to have fewer murders? That's nonsensical logic.

Just because violent crime has (apparently) fallen doesn't mean we should have to shut up and accept other forms of crime. Especially when it's committed by foreign gangs, many of whom don't even have legal grounds to be here and it goes hand in hand with drugs and prostitution.

It's not one or the other. I want as little crime as possible.

I'm early 60s, this country has changed so much in my lifetime and not for the better.

I want all these money laundering shops shut down, I want knife crime tackled with harsh sentences, anyone who commits murder should be imprisoned for life. I want people to stop dropping litter and flytipping, people to clean up after their dogs, small boat crossings to stop. I want parents to take responsibility for their children. I want foreigners who commit crimes deported, I don't care if that country is dangerous, commit a crime you forfeit your right to stay.

Oh and I'm sick of do gooders making excuses for people.

Working legally selling counterfeit stuff is illegal - fighting in the streets with machetes illegal - again remove visas and deport no need to clog up our prisons return to Turkey, Bangladesh, India wherever and remove all visas till countries comply - we grow enough of our own scumbags without importing this lot!

But how do you know the people who work in the shops are out fighting?

the police focus on bringing down the high level organised crime bosses, not the people working in the shops. The people working in the shops will be replaced in an instant. They don’t hold any power

Ooh can all the restaurant owners selling delicious turkish food stay please?

Nobody is suggesting you have to “shut up” simply saying that in the scheme of crimes that can be committed, shoplifting is low level in terms of street crimes.

where they are serious crimes is the organised gangs at the head of these money laundering outfits, and they are far removed and international- and when they are taken down, it’s a long term collaborative effort from law enforcement

Adding to the sense of hopelessness and betrayal is the fact that 'easy wins' are leapt upon with alacrity by relevant authorities....like that poor woman running a restaurant in Yorkshire whose husband was driving people home (free) when they'd had a drink. First whiff of this and the council was down on them like ton of bricks talking about penalties, licences, permits, taxi services and god knows what else. Small people trying to be entrepreuneurial and creative to run a business - fair game. Vape shops and the like; much hand-wringing and agonising over the possibility of racism accusations, lack of funds, lack of man power....just strings of excuses.

It's shit. No wonder so many people feel cynical, disillusioned and like life is just a battle with govt bodies.

You are so right. I sometimes wonder just how far the majority of ordinary, decent people can be pushed, and pushed some more until they snap and there is mass civil unrest, mass refusal to pay council tax etc, on a scale that will bring the government to its knees. I feel like it's gradually been coming to a head for 20 years but the last two or three years have sorely tested people's patience. Just one more straw on the back of this very pissed off camel and we will lose our collective shit.

Why wouldn't they be able stay?

I honestly don't understand the whataboutery.

We all know the type of shops the documentary is about.

Why are you bringing something into this that's neither here nor there? To be flippant? To minimise crime? To show how wonderfully progressive you are because you like delicious Turkish food? To derail?

Provided these restaurant owners are here legally and do not indulge in a spot of criminal activity then why wouldn't be able to stay?

Exactly this. Hands up who wants their card cloned? Or a couple of zeros added to your total bill? Anyone? Just pay cash.

Why wouldn't they be able stay?

I don’t understand this question- why wouldn’t who be able to stay?

I think you’ve misunderstand what I mean or rather, how the shops run. It’s not about legitimate vs non legitimate

If you take only the NON legitimate shops- the Turkish barber will be operating as a barber in order to launder money. The men who WORK in the barbers may not be illegal. The money laundering is happening at a much higher level by the OCG bosses. If you deport the barbers, they will simply be replaced by new barbers. The shop won’t close because you deport the workers

👏👏👏👏 well said, I’m utterly sick of it all, the demise of this country’s standards is shameful.

Do you think the barbers don’t know the scam they are part of is illegal? Deport them and shut the shop down completely and if they pop up somewhere else do it all again - they’ll soon get tired of it!

Of course they know it’s illegal. You and I know it’s illegal. Thats not a reason for deportation, but more importantly it’s not even effective! The barbers will just be replaced with new ones

You don’t think money laundering is a reason to remove someone’s visa - then what is the bar murder rape burglary shop lifting - what is it?

What are you talking about? The whole point is the barbers aren’t money laundering. they are working in a shop which is a front for money laundering which isn’t the same thing.

it’s got nothing to do with the level of crime i think someone (someone who actually did it) should be deported for.
Deporting foreign barbers because they work in a money laundering shop won’t stop the money laundering