Can a uni reliably say someone has used ai to create their work?

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i personally don’t see how tbh

I’ve said I should have I can’t go back in time unfortunately as much as I would love to

I wouldn't attach myself to a university that didn't have actual buildings, I would visit said buildings and hand it over. And I would tell them exactly why. If they want to rely on AI to detect supposed plagiarism via AI, they can accept the consequences of that.

I wouldn't have had the courage when I was actually an undergraduate but now I'm in my 50s and have spent over 30 years in the workplace, I'm not at all afraid to stand up for myself.

No, of course they have buildings. What I mean is if you did that they would hand it back and say no because a) it breaks the anonymity of the submission and b) the marking process occurs in a programme online.

They would simply say you have failed if you don’t submit it in PDF form. I suppose you could scan it into a PDF. But a paper copy would not be accepted. You would fail and it would be your choice.

They'd regret tangling with me like that.

In 2013-17 (my UG and MA days) we submitted online and a printed paper version. My university now they just want the online one. I don’t even know where my departments offices are… it’s a shame. I used to sit and drink wine with my professors.

Why? They’d just fail you and you’d be kicked off the course eventually. They don’t care about your preferences

I’ve never once seen the OIA side with a student who decided to submit on their terms rather than those of their university.

Thanks to everyone that said about Verision history I have checked and it’s there and shows me editing it since the 11th April to the 21st April so clearly shows like I said I spent a lot of time on it as I said.

😂😂 who do you think you are? If any student behaved the way you are suggesting here then they’d simply be failed and off the course eventually. But you keep giving that as a suggested way to behave, good job!

Then you wouldn't have complied with the submission requirements and you would fail. We're not even allowed to accept assignments by email because they all have to be uploaded. You could scan your handwritten version or upload photos of each page but our student office wouldn't accept your paper version. Also, what's to stop you generating an AI assignment and copying it out by hand?

Good. Now you need the full AI history too. All the prompts....

But it's a gòod start.

I wasn’t logged in to it as don’t have an account but surely anyone could have used ai multiple times not logged in for example or had multiple accounts

Chat gpt saves things I've looked for and includes the whole conversation. But that's on the app, I'm not sure re a browser maybe others can advise.

My guess is that your hypothetical tutor would ask you to get it typed, or save the aggro and discussion and arrange this themselves (possibly charging you for it).

Just as there is an evolving network of theories, literature, personalities, and current vogue/taboo streams, there is a long history of turbulent students and the ways that they push the boundaries - in many places, it can be odd if they haven't had a learning experience from pushing the boundaries before offering up work that counts for higher stakes. The next cohort to fight their corner in the crab bucket that is professional academia will be quite skilled at pushing, tactical at shoving, but very good at 'just far enough, with some stylish throwing of gauntlets'. So experience of plagiarism and 'dissimulation' cases are also well developed (at this point) and all departments will be well used to conducting them year on year, whether for Undergrad, Master's, or Doctorate.

the browser is pritty much the same as the app, you can make project folders for different topics,

I could, and would, type it myself if easier - I have a typewriter, as long as it's still possible to get a ribbon for it.

And you’d be asked, again, to submit an online version to the portal. As per the regs that you signed up to.

You've got to love these fools you think they can bend the regs to their will.

At least it gives the staff a good chuckle.

It’s a good thing you’re not actually going back to uni. How embarrassing to think you could behave that way though. You’re old enough to know better.

Nobody would accept it. And the outcome of 'tangling with you' would be you'd end up failing and off the course.

I never 'sign up' to anything without checking I agree with it, so I'd challenge at the outset if the AI aspect was made clear as a factor of using the online portal. If the regs made no reference to AI, I would argue that the regs were misleading and therefore invalid.

I want to make it clear that I am not anti-AI. I use it regularly at work for routine tasks, including drafting, but, like most modern workplaces, in my office you are more likely to be asked why you haven't used AI than why you have.

I don't mean I advocate its use for academic or creative work, but I strongly object to the use of unreliable AI filtering tools.

The regulations would state that work must be uploaded to a portal, checked for plagiarism (which includes AI of course). No university would allow you to enrol unless you agree to those conditions. You would of course be free to leave if those regulations weren’t acceptable. But the idea you can just submit typed assignments because you don’t trust plagiarism software is not going to happen.

Any more than you arguing in court that public transport should be free which is why you didn’t pay your train fare.

Well, if they wanted to wave goodbye to my tuition fees it would be up to them.

Is your point about train fares supposed to be an analogy, or are you confusing me with another poster and thread - I've never in my life dodged a train fare.

If it's an analogy, the conditions of carriage make it abundantly clear that you are required to pay a fare, and that your fare pays for your journey (not a seat, which is something that confuses many).

A better analogy would be if you were required, when boarding a train, to undergo some kind of face-scanning to prove you were not a known fare-dodger, and the ai scanning was notoriously unreliable - and this was not made explicit in the conditions of carriage - in that case I most certainly would be demanding a refund of my fare if they couldn't allow me to board without being scanned.

It was an analogy. The conditions of registration would make it clear that work is uploaded and checked and if you didn’t agree you wouldn’t be enrolled.

You can’t assume unis are so desperate for your particular fees that they’d be happy to accept you and not run any of your work through the checkers.

Oh, plenty of them are desperate enough if you're not worried about attending one that's prestigious or in a trendy location.