PIP for Anxiety

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AIBU to clear things up?

The current nasty rhetoric around disabled people at the moment is astounding. Society needs to be reminded that we are ALL one illness or accident away from disability.

Everyone knows someone who is gaming the system, yet the PIP fraud rate is extremely low. The public demonising, does not match the reality.

The hot topic is “anxiety” and how people with “anxiety” are gaming the system, getting “free” cars and robbing tax payers; this is being constantly fed through media, news articles and so on.

This is simply not true. The people spouting this nonsense clearly have no idea how PIP works. Nobody gets PIP without strong medical evidence. Nobody.

Before anyone posts “my neighbour got PIP just by telling lies”. No, they did not. That’s not how it works.

People need to be educated properly on how benefits work, how they are awarded and what the criteria for mobility cars actually is; the cars are not in fact free.

People need to be educated on the fact that there is anxiety, which every human suffers from at some point, and then there are anxiety DISORDERS which are entirely different and can be life changing and debilitating. Hence, the need and entitlement for PIP.

Brenda down the road who feels too anxious to go to Bingo on a Friday night is NOT getting PIP ❌

Mary up the lane who has such severe OCD that she cannot leave her own home for fear that she will die, IS getting PIP .✅

There’s a huge difference.

The current turning on disabled people is shameful and we are living in a country full of hate because Bob (and his Uncle) are annoyed that they are paying tax to “support all of these scroungers”.

Bob (and his Uncle), needs to hope that they never get cancer, or suffer life changing trauma or have an unfortunate accident to avoid being served a huge scrounged humble pie.

I do not suffer from anxiety but as a human, I am pleased we have a system in society to support the most vulnerable people who need it. Life can happen to anyone.

You clearly can't know them too well since kids don't get PIP, they get DLA. A diagnosis isn't needed but evidence is.

PIP is not an out of work benefit and you don’t have to be unemployed to claim it. If you have a disability PIP is designed to help with the extra costs it incurs.

Pip don't care if you are suicidal or have even attempted suicide it isn't one of the criteria. You can't just say you are incontinent you would have to prove why you are and it would have show in his scr that he would have had to submit with his pip form

Well you can because both have done it. I never understand why people think you’d just randomly make stuff up to post on an anonymous forum 😂 they both said that’s what was wrong with them and are both on pip. Open your mind it actually happens

Sure they have

Haha great 😂

PIP is not paid for simple anxiety and depression treated by a GP with medication. You have to provide evidence of overwhelming symptoms, usually requiring secondary care consultant led mental health teams. The use of a motability car doesn’t necessarily mean the person with the mental health condition is actually driving it. It could be a family member driving the claimant around, or using the car for their benefit in some other way - enabling them to travel to and from work for example. You clearly know very little about how mental health works or how PIP supports it.

Heres my challenge with this view.

Everytime gaming the system is pushed back on as a concept the view is it point blank doesnt happen. At all.

That is a convenient stat but it is simply not true.

I grew up on a council estate, benefits was very much a way of life. Generations of families not working because the welfare state was all they knew. I can assure you it does happen.

Does that mean people like OP are wrong to receive? No.

Its like the NAMALT argument. No, all benefits claimants are not uniust or gaming the system, but its too many, far too many.

Thats what your average working person on the street is sick to the baxk teeth of. A rising welfare bill whilst being simultaneously gaslt that what they can see with their own eyes "never happens at all and how dare you suggest it does"

Because those people have usually gone through PIP/DLA themselves/for their child and know how gruelling it is and how much evidence is demanded. Even then, it often has to go to tribunal.

It's hard to take someone seriously when, for example, they don't even know the difference between DLA and PIP so clearly have very little idea of how it all works.

@PILEALLTHEPILLSONTHEFLOOR here you go don't worry about your tribunal just tell them you have bpd they won't question it just like people this poster knows you don't need any medical evidence just tell them.

I’m astounded that people actually believe people don’t play the system! Just because you don’t know people who don’t do it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. By the way it doesn’t bother me, like I say I grew up watching people play the system just so we could survive

Where all aware a small amount of people commit benefit fraud what we don't believe is people knowing people who get pip for made up incontinence with no proof as thats just not how it works

There is a world of difference between the anxiety we all feel from time to time and anxiety disorder.

Nobody is saying it doesn’t happen, of course it does. No system is infallible. But those of us who have worked within the system know that the figures are not nearly as high as some posters are quoting simply to support their own narrative.

The thing is you don’t have to believe it but it does happen and I’m certainly not going to lose any sleep over you not believing it

I can’t comment on the figures others have posted because I honestly have no idea and don’t wish to know. I can only comment on the family and friends I know and the strokes they pull as my dad says 😂

Yep.

My child is incontinent and I had to provide evidence to show that he's incontinent. They don't just take your word for it.

For those of us who have been through the pip process and know how horrifically difficult it can be for people who genuinely need and are entitled to it, to get it, it's difficult to believe or understand how others can get it so easily. When you/the person you support has to produce mountains of evidence, do MRs, do Tribunals it's difficult to fathom out how others get it without the same levels of evidence/hassle.

And in those circumstances the assessor would make a decision based on how the claimant presents, their demeanour throughout and expected physical manifestations of anxiety or whatever they’re claiming, on whether the claimant could reasonably be expected to be telling the truth on the balance of probability.

I know of such groups and at least one person I know personally.

Should be easy to provide a link to one then. I'll wait.

btw I'm pretty sure pileallthepillsonthefloor was caught having multiple personalities on here earlier today, so I'm sure if they crack a few out at the tribunal they'll be grand 😂

You claimed that someone you know is claiming for incontinence and doesn’t have it. That’s almost impossible to do. The assessor would want evidence such as a referral to urology or digestive consultant, medical reports from clinicians, referrals to continence services and evidence of the provision of suitable padding and any other aids or appliances used for toileting, prevention of accidents.

I'm in various Facebook groups and haven't seen these posts. People will tell you that you need certain evidence of disability, etc. but never what to say. I remember someone asking what do they write on their forms as they had a diagnosis of something. They were told it doesn't matter what other people wrote - it's how you're affected

Not true. Activity 1, 3, and 11 all have risk of intentional self harm consideration.

The low percentage is reflective of the fraudulent people who have been caught out.