Don't like Farage but..

[TheBlueKoala]

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

PIP isn't for people with mild or transient mental health problems, so surely the point is moot? It's just a way to be racist. Surely, it would be like saying "I don't think foreign nationals should receive child benefit for their 20 year old children".

The Dublin Agreement never worked and was expensive. Tiny numbers were deported and in almost every year the UK was a net recipient. Official figures confirm this. This was absurd considering migrant flows and geography but was a result of our eu”friends” refusing to accept migrants back despite overwhelming evidence and our captured incompetent home office accepting everyone.
Illegal migration did not ballon after Brexit. They just started to come in boats as the increased use of better technology allowed them to be found and removed from the lorries they previously used.

I feel pretty well off and I still don’t think voting for him would do myself any favours.

Because paying less tax is not the only thing I care about. And I benefit from a fairer society because there are more factors to consider about what makes life pleasurable than how much you have in the bank, once you have reached a reasonable level of lifestyle.

"That doesn't mean that I will say that all is shit that comes from his mouth."

This is a very low bar.
Why would anyone who thinks this badly of the toad start a thread praising one aspect of his lies?

Excesses (or shared liability) usually work on an annual basis.

Typically you'll pay 10% of the cost of any procedure up to a maximum of, say, £2k per year. Regardless of the number or severity of conditions you have.

Similarly for prescriptions but that hopefully would be offset by pharmacists being able to offer you generic meds and zero prescription charges.

I'm nothing to do with any party so these are just my thoughts.

I imagine the premium would be relatively static in such a social insurance model (as opposed to genuinely private health insurance that factors in risk) so people with severe/chronic conditions are not priced out of health care and there is no gender disparity.

The (private) model that I (late 60s) looked at recently had premiums of c.£150/month on a shared liability of £4k. Other options existed that rebalanced those two figures.

I dont see why cost would/should be passed on to businesses (they already seem to be far too much an extension of the welfare state) but I imagine those who already provide private healthcare might pick up some of the tab in place of that as health provision improves enough.

I imagine elective procedures such as IVF would either incur a higher premium or some other excess.

GP's... who knows. I'm not convinced by the "charge and you'll reduce cancellations" argument. I think charging for a diagnosis would be a bad idea - I'm generally for early identification and treatment of any problem. But I daresay there would be some limit on free GP appointments to discourage abuse (that's why prescription charges were introduced early in the NHS life, when you could keep mislaying your glasses and just get another free pair). Say 6 patient-requested appointments free per year.

What do you think?

Read who the key figures and groups advising and funding Reform are.
Do you want these people and groups in charge? Look at what they think about single parents and childless women. Some want a complete ban on abortion in all situstions and at any point of gestation.
Once they are in power, they make the decisions. At that stage if the roll back women's rights there will be nothing we can do for years.

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/how-reform-uks-family-friendly-agenda-threatens-women-and-girls/

Yes, absolutely.

Bit like Hitler in his day.

You better believe it. The simple reason is benefits are out of contol and Labour has done nothing to stop illegal migrants arriving in boats.

I think all political parties need to confront the issue that we are spending well beyond our means, mainly on welfare, and the debt is going to wreck our children and grandchildren's futures. Jam today; no jam tomorrow. They will have a worse standard of living than us. Particularly if the country goes bankrupt. So the political weather needs to completely change and whoever does that will win 2029. It's not Labour as their bankbenchers wouldnt allow even a tiny reduction in the welfare bill.

"Mild?" Who gets to decide what is mild and what isn't?!
Just sounds like a way of dumping on poor and chronically ill people more to me.
Not a CHANCE am I voting Reform. I value my health and the NHS too much, and the knowledge that there's help in the future if I need it benefits wise.
(Currently work full time and claim zero benefits.)

And neither of those things are the main reasons of people’s poor lives.

Oh and they’re not illegal migrants if they claim asylum when they land.

lol do you honestly believe this?

Why do you think people with mild mental health issues are getting PIP? The bar is high to be eligible for PIP.

No one.

Nigel farage wanted to take us to war. That's enough for me to never vote reform.

I didn’t think there was PIP for mild mental health issues, so aren’t we at that point already?

What does having Eastern European cleaners has to do with anything?

Out of interest - if you agree with their policies, why would you never vote for the party? Surely it’s better to vote for a party that aligns with your views?

very few can claim benefits until they are settled, usually after a certain number of years. Most visa’s are no recourse to public funds and they pay an IHS surcharge which covers their NHS care when in the UK.

There isn't i have bipolar and eupd I've been sectioned multiple times, I also have multiple organ failure. I sent in letters from my cpn, psychiatrist, care coordinator and multiple consultants. I take antipsychotics, mood stabilisers, anti depressants and have benzos on prn yet I still got turned down on first go I did get it on MR but it wasn't easy

No thats simply not true, the highest year for lorry crossings was 2002, around then, x-ray and heat tech was introduced and lorry style crossing fell, further tech introduced with digital tacho's, all done by 2010.

Traffickers could have used boats at anytime from the early 2000s onwards.... but did not.

Numbers crossing into the UK from France remained stable & low for many years... until 2020 & yes it has ballooned, numbers crossing now far exceed ones via lorries.

DA was seen by many as a deterrent, the risk was "Cross into UK, get deported back"

As the channel hasn't narrowed and motorised boats aren't exactly new, the surge in cross channel migration is down to one thing only.... Brexit.

Because the issue is that we need immigrants because the indigenous population doesn't want to work. That's the real issue imo.

Your views are not against anyone's feelings, but that's why we already have restrictions in place on both these things. Foreign nationals can't claim benefits unless they have extensive work history here and if mental health problems are mild you you carry on as normal with some medication or talking therapy. There may be some tinkering required- most policies do need tinkering with- but Farage makes sweeping grand statements like he is going to screw everything up and put it in the bin. Which is not for the good of the economy as a whole- starving people are desperate people who do desperate things- unsupported mental health people also. Like all things, its a balancing act, and Farage has no sense of nuance.

We absolutely do if we got rid of all immigrants our local hospital would have no drs