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Don't like Farage but..

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TheBlueKoala · Yesterday 05:35

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

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pointythings · Today 14:28

PeachOctopus · Today 12:24

More than 270,000 young people (under 25) in the UK are economically inactive due to long-term sickness, with a significant rise in Gen Z claiming health and disability benefits.

Over 70% of new claimants under 25 cite mental health issues, and, according to from, mental health conditions are driving a rapid increase in young people, particularly young women, claiming disability support.

IFS | Institute for Fiscal Studies +4
Young People (Under 25): Over 270,000 are out of work due to long-term sickness, and the number of teenagers receiving disability benefits has doubled over the last decade.

The Guardian +3
Growing Trend: The share of 25-year-olds claiming health-related benefits has risen from 4.9% in 2019 to 7%.

It is a terrible shame for young people to be on long term disability benefits for mental health and to not join the workforce, the number is not sustainable and cannot go on rising indefinitely. I think when Teresa May expanded mental health into disability benefits no one had any idea how much it would expand.

The solution here was always to invest in mental health services so that you could catch these young people early, intervene and help them. But of course health service cuts under the previous government put paid to that.

What I always wonder about is why people going on about the benefit bill never mention getting rid of the triple lock? It's always the young who get bashed (and before anyone says anything, I'm old).

cantstopthinkingaboutit2 · Today 14:37

pointythings · Today 14:28

The solution here was always to invest in mental health services so that you could catch these young people early, intervene and help them. But of course health service cuts under the previous government put paid to that.

What I always wonder about is why people going on about the benefit bill never mention getting rid of the triple lock? It's always the young who get bashed (and before anyone says anything, I'm old).

Triple look needs to go but Farage and all the rest of them know they would lose votes if they campaign to get rid of the triple lock. The grey vote is still a powerful voting block, and younger people don’t really understand what the triple lock is or care about it.

SkipAd · Today 16:18

cantstopthinkingaboutit2 · Today 14:37

Triple look needs to go but Farage and all the rest of them know they would lose votes if they campaign to get rid of the triple lock. The grey vote is still a powerful voting block, and younger people don’t really understand what the triple lock is or care about it.

Look at what happened when Labour tried to cut the winter fuel allowance. Removing the triple lock would be electoral suicide.

MulberryBrandy · Today 16:40

pointythings · Today 14:28

The solution here was always to invest in mental health services so that you could catch these young people early, intervene and help them. But of course health service cuts under the previous government put paid to that.

What I always wonder about is why people going on about the benefit bill never mention getting rid of the triple lock? It's always the young who get bashed (and before anyone says anything, I'm old).

I also think it's because everyone else has already been squeezed! The Cameron Tory/LibDem coalition brought in the student fees - those first people are not so young now and have many other responsibilities. They also brought forward the later age for women to retire - quite suddenly. They also sold off Royal Mail for a price that benefitted their cronies but not the British public.

BeAmberZebra · Today 16:52

MsJinks · Today 12:56

Ah - make us a pariah state - can’t wait!

Like Canada, Australia and the USA. Those well known pariah states. Each treaty and international body has both advantages and disadvantages if we remain subject to them. Not everyone always agrees that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages and depends on both how it affects you, your family and your business and to a certain extent how much you believe individual countries sovereignty matters. Not totally up to date on Reforms position but I believe they would take us out of the ECHR as would the Conservative Party. Only pointing out that once in power the government does have the power to take any actions it sees fit if it believes it would be advantageous, I am not commenting on every aspect of international law although I’m in favour of reforming ECHR or leaving.

PortSalutPlease · Today 16:55

TheBlueKoala · Yesterday 05:35

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

NOBODY can claim PIP for “mild issues”. I do hope this clarifies things for you. And as to benefits as a whole, immigrants in the UK are net contributors to the UK economy thanks to them paying their taxes, unlike Nigel’s cronies. So why shouldn’t they use the benefits their taxes are paying towards when they need to do so?

hedgeknight · Today 17:08

BeAmberZebra · Today 16:52

Like Canada, Australia and the USA. Those well known pariah states. Each treaty and international body has both advantages and disadvantages if we remain subject to them. Not everyone always agrees that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages and depends on both how it affects you, your family and your business and to a certain extent how much you believe individual countries sovereignty matters. Not totally up to date on Reforms position but I believe they would take us out of the ECHR as would the Conservative Party. Only pointing out that once in power the government does have the power to take any actions it sees fit if it believes it would be advantageous, I am not commenting on every aspect of international law although I’m in favour of reforming ECHR or leaving.

They are not in Europe Confused

All the major democracies in Europe signed up to the ECHR.

What is it that you don't like about it?

pointythings · Today 17:33

PortSalutPlease · Today 16:55

NOBODY can claim PIP for “mild issues”. I do hope this clarifies things for you. And as to benefits as a whole, immigrants in the UK are net contributors to the UK economy thanks to them paying their taxes, unlike Nigel’s cronies. So why shouldn’t they use the benefits their taxes are paying towards when they need to do so?

The concept of not allowing foreign nationals to claim benefits no matter how long they have worked and contributed is completely against the British value of fairness. Why should I not get benefits when a British person who has never worked does? I've been here almost 29 years. This policy is blatant xenophobia, and the people who think it is acceptable - well, fill in the blanks.

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