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Don't like Farage but..

434 replies

TheBlueKoala · Yesterday 05:35

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

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Catza · Yesterday 09:30

You don't get PIP for mild, moderate or severe anything. You get PIP if you are struggling to perform specific daily activities - washing, dressing, cooking, eating, toileting, independent travel, budgeting, communicating with others, and medication management.
I am assuming Farage is not familiar with PIP criteria and neither are you.
Also, I have lived in the UK for 25 years and paid taxes this entire time. Any reason why you think I should not be entitled to benefits if I need them (I am not planning to need them, but hypothetically... what is your reasoning?)

youalright · Yesterday 09:32

Catza · Yesterday 09:30

You don't get PIP for mild, moderate or severe anything. You get PIP if you are struggling to perform specific daily activities - washing, dressing, cooking, eating, toileting, independent travel, budgeting, communicating with others, and medication management.
I am assuming Farage is not familiar with PIP criteria and neither are you.
Also, I have lived in the UK for 25 years and paid taxes this entire time. Any reason why you think I should not be entitled to benefits if I need them (I am not planning to need them, but hypothetically... what is your reasoning?)

He isn't he already showed that when he thought it was an out of work benefit and that you didn't need significant medical evidence to get it.

AlexaStopAlexaNo · Yesterday 09:36

I’m an immigrant (now dual citizen) and I don’t like criminal migrants either.

dizzydizzydizzy · Yesterday 09:38

You cannot get PIP for mild mental health problems. My psychiatrist describes my anxiety as ‘severe’ and also describes me as ‘vulnerable’. I I get PIP but for a physical health problem. I got nothing for my anxiety because the DWP considered it too mild to qualify. My friend’s son who tried to commit suicide does get PIP for his mental health. Is that OK by you?

Catza · Yesterday 09:42

TeenagersAngst · Yesterday 07:38

But how did she get PIP in the first place if what we’re led to believe is that it’s impossible unless you are a genuine claimant?

The article states that she failed to inform DWP of the change in circumstances which suggests she got PIP when she was unwell and failed to stop it when she got better.

Nocameltoeleggingsplease · Yesterday 09:43

‘I don’t like some of the stuff Hitler is saying but I do agree that Germany should be allowed to rebuild and the Treaty of Versailles was unfair’

Said too many people in Germany in 1933

BlackRowan · Yesterday 09:48

In which scenario you think foreign nationals are claiming benefits???

Mummybud · Yesterday 09:51

As of 31 Jan 2026 3.9 million people in England and Wales are claiming PIP and it’s expected to rise by another 750k within a couple of years. It’s currently 1 in 10 working age people. As much as I appreciate that people who have gone through the process have found it cumbersome and difficult, it’s clear something is wrong. The support should absolutely be there for people who need it, but I find it very hard to believe 1 in 10 working age people are eligible for disability benefit.

Gemtastic · Yesterday 09:52

AlexaStopAlexaNo · Yesterday 09:36

I’m an immigrant (now dual citizen) and I don’t like criminal migrants either.

You can not like criminal migrants and still think Farage is hopelessly ill equipped to manage such a difficult issue.

He is the archetypal politician that proposes simple solutions to complex issues but even he knows he wouldn’t be able to solve them if he were in government.
Just as he promised Brexit would solve all the UK’s issues (there’s a reason we joined in the first place…) and then complained when it inevitably didn’t and in fact caused way more problems than it solved that it just wasn’t implemented correctly.

MaidOfSteel · Yesterday 09:52

BewareoftheLambs · Yesterday 05:57

Just because Farage is telling you what he thinks you want to hear it doesn't mean you have to believe him. He is, generally, inaccurate and deliberately misleading. It's olay though, all the difficulties that exist in education will apparently be solved by finding lots of money to waste on flags and pictures of the king. That'll help. I cant believe people even vaguely listen to anything such a horrible man has to say. I personally will not be swayed by his desperate attempts to make himself richer.

And the uni-party’s plans to sort out their mess?

benten54 · Yesterday 09:56

Stompythedinosaur · Yesterday 07:37

PIP isn't given to people with mild MH difficulties.

What do you imagine should happen to a worker from another country who comes here to work and then becomes sick or injured? Leave them to starve? Expect them to beg on the street? I have no desire to live in a country like that.

When I went to work in Australia my visa had a condition that I had full medical insurance.
Same as when I came to NZ. I’m no fan of Farridge and Reform but no reason why we can’t expect the same

godmum56 · Yesterday 09:58

BewareoftheLambs · Yesterday 05:57

Just because Farage is telling you what he thinks you want to hear it doesn't mean you have to believe him. He is, generally, inaccurate and deliberately misleading. It's olay though, all the difficulties that exist in education will apparently be solved by finding lots of money to waste on flags and pictures of the king. That'll help. I cant believe people even vaguely listen to anything such a horrible man has to say. I personally will not be swayed by his desperate attempts to make himself richer.

yup, he could say the sky is blue and I wouldn't believe him (btw, it isn't)

placemats · Yesterday 09:59

benten54 · Yesterday 09:56

When I went to work in Australia my visa had a condition that I had full medical insurance.
Same as when I came to NZ. I’m no fan of Farridge and Reform but no reason why we can’t expect the same

It's exactly the same here.

PGmicstand · Yesterday 10:01

happybug1234 · Yesterday 05:42

I agree and would probably never vote for him, having said that, I do see the draw to reform, when I hear the things they say such as in the OP, there is often not much I disagree with policy wise. Why the mainstream parties can’t listen and take note - they would certainly win!

You agree with scrapping the NHS?
You agree with doing away with human rights?
You agree with banning protests?
You agree with reducing the tax for the rich?

TheFrendo · Yesterday 10:02

The welfare bill is greater than the amount of money received in income tax.

The welfare bill simply has to come down, you can argue about how, but it must come down.

Th etwo simplest hits would be.

a) No access to benefits for foreigners.

b) Greatly reduce the amount of money people get paid for not working.

I cannot see a reductio in pension payments being politically possible for some years.

handsdownthebest · Yesterday 10:04

There is no 'but' as far as Farage is concerned.

placemats · Yesterday 10:05

TheFrendo · Yesterday 10:02

The welfare bill is greater than the amount of money received in income tax.

The welfare bill simply has to come down, you can argue about how, but it must come down.

Th etwo simplest hits would be.

a) No access to benefits for foreigners.

b) Greatly reduce the amount of money people get paid for not working.

I cannot see a reductio in pension payments being politically possible for some years.

Pensions take up half of the welfare spending.

StarCourt · Yesterday 10:05

BewareoftheLambs · Yesterday 06:01

Exactly, but some people believe whatever they are told without doing their own research or asking questions.

ABSOLUTELY THIS

SpryTaupeTurtle · Yesterday 10:06

TheBlueKoala · Yesterday 05:35

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

Define mild mental health issues? Do you mean anxiety. Depression? Oh yes. The money saved from all these foreign people claiming benefits and Pip cuts will immediately transfer over to mental health care. Pie in the sky. Just another rage baiting thread about immigration and people with mental health issues

Whosthetabbynow · Yesterday 10:07

Farage spouts populist ideas with no realistic plan of how he’d bring the changes about. He’s convincing, I’ll give him that.

Catza · Yesterday 10:07

Chipandcherry · Yesterday 08:35

Oh come on. I've just done my own PIP claim, answered honestly, and been rejected, despite currently undergoing cancer treatment and having recently had major surgery. I can say with my hand on my heart that it would have been extremely easy to have answered differently on that form, hammed it up, and been accepted. All on issues that could neither be proven or disproven by anyone. That's not a secret, everyone knows that mental health is the area that is the most easy to manipulate, depending on your own integrity, on these forms. And having seen it with my own eyes I can absolutely attest to that being a valid point. Those answering genuinely, who really need it, are indistinguishable from those who don't answer honestly. The system needs to change.

Edited

You are free to lie on the form but your lies need to be substantiated by clinical evidence and no clinician in their right mind will provide it. I know because I have been asked directly in the past to evidence someone's fraudulent claim and I am not loosing my registration for it.

dizzydizzydizzy · Yesterday 10:07

Mummybud · Yesterday 09:51

As of 31 Jan 2026 3.9 million people in England and Wales are claiming PIP and it’s expected to rise by another 750k within a couple of years. It’s currently 1 in 10 working age people. As much as I appreciate that people who have gone through the process have found it cumbersome and difficult, it’s clear something is wrong. The support should absolutely be there for people who need it, but I find it very hard to believe 1 in 10 working age people are eligible for disability benefit.

The health of the UK population and the healthcare is dire.
We have an obesity epidemic and a mental health crisis, especially since the pandemic. Oh and vast number of people have long covid and there js virtually no help.. The population is also getting older so almost inevitably more people will have chronic health conditions. If you do try to get help, especially for anything mental health related, you can look forward to a wait of several years. Even my friend’s son who tried to commit suicide 2 or 3 years ago has only just had his first routine appointment witb a psychiatrist in which it was discovered that he was on a quarter of the medication dose he should have been on!!!!

CtrlCctrlVForTheRestOfMyLife · Yesterday 10:08

Most foreign nationals can't claim benefits, including pip or housing benefits. In fact for most of them their visa will explicitly state 'no recourse to public funds'.

The few foreign nationals who can claim limited benefits are those on ILR (indefinitely leave to remain, which is usually the stage before you get citizenship) or settled status for EU nationals. So people who have been working and paying taxes in the UK for a considerable time.

Nigel Farage lies. You need to check and cross check everything he claims. Whatever your problems are, being even harsher on foreign nationals or other immigrants is not going to make your life better.

CtrlCctrlVForTheRestOfMyLife · Yesterday 10:10

benten54 · Yesterday 09:56

When I went to work in Australia my visa had a condition that I had full medical insurance.
Same as when I came to NZ. I’m no fan of Farridge and Reform but no reason why we can’t expect the same

Oh my goodness. It is EXACTLY the same here. Foreign nationals are charged to use the NHS (which ironically wouldn't survive without foreign workers).

BridgetJonesV2 · Yesterday 10:13

We need to start teaching people resilience, not relying on a nanny state. We've become a nation of snowflakes and people obsessed with their own thoughts.

God help us if we ever go to war.