Don't like Farage but..

[TheBlueKoala]

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

So you wouldn’t vote for a party even though you agree with most of their policies?

You’re on the extreme end of social conditioning if that’s the case

Yes because the most important thing is making sure that immigrants can't claim benefits and removing Pip from people with "mild mental health issues"

A/ It isn’t that simple
B/ He can’t unilaterally change international law
C/ Anyway, he won’t.

Farage may say the odd thing that you agree with

he is very good at this type of politics

but that is not his whole political stance and what his party stands for and this is the important part and what is so often missing in politics right now (from both sides)

Definitely- I mean fact these things are already in place doesn’t seem to matter - I despair.

I see that Farage is just now ‘starting to worry’ about Trump’s decision making. This tells me all I need to know about Farage’s judgement.

Obviously not. I would use the health budget to try and cure them and the welfare budget to stop them becoming homeless if they were unable to work due to their illness.
It’s not an either or scenario.
I truly do not believe that people with poor mental health choose not to get better because it means they will lose their benefits.

His flag flying followers won't like Trumps mutterings about the Falklands so Farage can't be seen to go along with that.
Mind most people don't align with Trumps mutterings.

Benefits should not be a long term solution, that’s the issue. They should be used as a safety net to get people through difficult times, with an aim of helping them return to work and being self sufficient. The obvious exceptions are the disabled, sick and elderly.

Is that a call to ban universal credit?

who is getting benefits who is not disabled, sick or elderly?
Oh yeah, those recipients would be the low paid (we all benefit from their contribution), children and their carers, and carers for the disabled, sick, elderly...

I have a colleague (commonwealth citizen, not uk citizen) who has lived in UK 50 yrs. Obv. still working now and has worked in UK maybe 30 of last 50 yrs. Will be age 70 soon. So I guess the thinking is people like him shouldn't be allowed to use NHS "for free" ?

Some people think there shouldn't be exceptions for sick and disabled -you only need to see comments on this thread to know that.

Yes. You can definitely trust this man.

A) Yes it is
B) I didn’t say he could change international law
C) Don’t confuse stating a fact as somehow support for the individual. I am not a Farage supporter. But, I was stating a fact. If you have a majority, you can change UK Law. Otherwise we would never have new laws.

His track record as MEP is a great indicator

More than 270,000 young people (under 25) in the UK are economically inactive due to long-term sickness, with a significant rise in Gen Z claiming health and disability benefits.

Over 70% of new claimants under 25 cite mental health issues, and, according to from, mental health conditions are driving a rapid increase in young people, particularly young women, claiming disability support.

IFS | Institute for Fiscal Studies +4
Young People (Under 25): Over 270,000 are out of work due to long-term sickness, and the number of teenagers receiving disability benefits has doubled over the last decade.

The Guardian +3
Growing Trend: The share of 25-year-olds claiming health-related benefits has risen from 4.9% in 2019 to 7%.

It is a terrible shame for young people to be on long term disability benefits for mental health and to not join the workforce, the number is not sustainable and cannot go on rising indefinitely. I think when Teresa May expanded mental health into disability benefits no one had any idea how much it would expand.

Maybe they are depressed and have mental health issues as they can’t find a job. Entry level positions are few and far between and most don’t pay enough to live.

He could also change international law if he wanted to. All that’s necessary is to withdraw from treaties, multi national organisations and similar types of bodies and agreements. Not all countries follow the same international law policies which we do. Eg many large democracies do not follow EHRC diktats. There would be consequences of doing this which would needed to be measured along side the advantages. People have very different views on the advantages and disadvantages of such actions.

He is using Russia as a template?

Well, after Brexit went so well...

Ah - make us a pariah state - can’t wait!

Not sure if Farage favours Russia or US but I have heard Tice hold up Dubai as a good model - god help us.

Who gets pip for 'mild' MH issues?! And who are you to judge how severe other people's MH is? Are you a psychiatrist?

You sound like an ignorant benefits bashing ableist.

A reminder that Brexit reduced UK GDP by 6-8% with the impact accruing over time.
Investment was reduced by 12-18%.
Employment by 3-4%.
Productivity was reduced by 3-4%.

Think this was something that Farage said. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Yes indeed. Farage and Lee Anderson think that anxiety and depression are mild mental health issues and if they get into Govt people will no longer get Pip for these conditions. Instead they will be placed into a fast track to work scheme as according to them work is the best thing for people with anxiety and depression

Well that's alright then isn't it. Fucking cunts. I honestly wish them all sorts of unmentionable misfortune.

Sharia law, cheap migrant labour and limited free speech?

And forgetting to pay taxes.