Don't like Farage but..

[TheBlueKoala]

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

Don't like Farage but... imo it is wise to never believe a single utterance that passes his lips. Farage is not what this country needs

I need to take issue with this. I worked for decades until some really horrible life stuff that I'm still recovering from meant that I couldn't. If you think that people from the UK don't want to work then go into your average supermarket or pub or any shop on the High Street and you'll see people that prove differently. My brother has been in the same job for 18 years now. He works full time. He was self employed doing the same job for a few years as well

This is just lazy trope bashing people on benefits - for no reason.

Why the fuck would anyone with two working brain cells that can talk to each other listen to a single word "Mr Brexit" ever says again ?

The is a word for people who are so desperate to find an acceptable cover for their racism that they are prepared to pretend they support a traitorous piece of shit like Farage.

The only think more dim (although it would be a close call) would be paying attention to Liz Truss on anything. Since our grandchildren will still be paying for her month in the sun.

Farage is popular with people who would send the Op home for being not from the UK

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Baffles me, people like that. You're literally voting against yourself 😕

Disagree with every word in your first paragraph. Totally agree with every word in your second two paragraphs. 🤷🏻‍♀️

So foreign nationals are here on all sorts of different permits/visas and they have different access to benefits. I think it very unfair that some people might live here for years on some visas, pay the same NI as someone else and not be able to claim anything. My DH wasn't allowed to claim anything until he had settled status. Given that asylum seekers aren't allowed to work (stupid rule in my opinion) then yes I believe they should get benefits as many won't not be working out of choice.

Have you tried applying for PIP? I doubt it if you think someone gets if for mild mental health issues. If they do they are absolutely lying on their application and at interview.

Seems he wants to get rid of the NHS for all of us, so hey, chose your battles.

I think your final sentence is the concern most people have. There are advisors and webpages all over the place telling people what they have to say and do to get the resources they want but don’t really need.

And as a side issue. Farage is tapping into the immigrants are all bad narrative. I saw some stuff on Facebook that went viral a few months ago in my area - about how someone's daughter was too scared to open the door to a just eat driver because he was a "Black man". The inference being that "Black men" are out to harm women - these people will be voting reform or similar

This is someone working for a pittance self employed being trashed all over social media due to their skin colour.

We are at the point where people have no qualms about being openly racist. Not just Farage. Restore Britain and others tap into this narrative. They target immigrants. They target people on benefits. They target people who are vulnerable. There's reasons for that - setting people against one another.

Farage has been given far too much air time by the likes of the BBC. Even when his party had no MPs

No he doesn’t. Just wants it to work.

OK, so why have I only been able to employ Eastern European cleaners and gardeners fkr the last 20 years, at £20ph and £35ph respectively? I'd love to employ people who were born and grew up here.

How many asylum seekers did we send back under the Dublin Agreement? I think you will find that it wasn't that many.

Wrong. Most Reform voters are not against immigrants who come and contribute to society, who work hard and abide by the law. The people who come via the legal channels, have a positive effect on society, and don’t just come here for state handouts.

I am not a Reform supporter by any means, but it’s easy to see why they are gaining support.

There are obviously some extreme racists who don’t like anyone ‘foreign’ but that is a small minority and you get those people in every corner of the world.

But benefits will always be available to the genuine claimant that is a citizen of the country who pay the benefits. You'll be fine if that applies.

Do foreign nationals get to pay less tax then if they're not allowed the benefits on the same basis as the natives?

That's a difficult question to answer without knowing your employee's circumstances. Are they married with children and have a mortgage or do they live in a shared house with other people so don't have large outgoings? How old are they? Are they just doing it for a few years and then going back home?

That's awful about the delivery driver 😓
Makes me think of that poor man who was just out in the park with his grandkids who was put all over social media as a "wrong un" and getting all sorts of disgusting racial abuse.
This is what the likes of Reform empowers.

It was a tiny amount and most years we took in more than we sent back. There are numerous statistics demonstrating this clearly but it is still used as something to bash Brexit and Reform with.

One issue is that people often assume someone who is brown or black is an immigrant. But they are often born here now.
Britain turning brown is the issue for many who vote Reform. Many do not recognise those who are brown as being ‘of these islands’.
These islands identity is changing rapidly. Not just colour wise but culturally.

No - so every visa’d foreign national will have the starting point of ‘no recourse to public funds’. If they can’t live without those then they’d apply for destitution to have that no recourse lifted, if their claim is accepted.

Once you have ILR or settled status then that no recourse isn’t on it.

Some migrants may appear to get benefits as they have a British child - the British child is the one with a right to child benefit for example, as they’re umm British - this is sometimes added into certain stats of the numbers of migrants receiving benefits I’ve noticed - obviously some minor accounting error they didn’t mean I’m sure …

People with mild MH problems are not getting PIP. Most peope are not gettiing PIP. Some people with genuine significant need are not getting PIP as the process is difficult and criteria is high. There is also criteria for foriegn nationals to be able to qualify, and they face the same assessment process as every other person.

HTH

From a PIP assessor.

Oh - and Asylum seekers get living expenses. If in a full board hotel for example they get £10 a week personal cash. If in a just bed provided place they get under £50 to include feeding themselves. It’s not benefits as such, ie not from DWP

you can judge a man by his friends, he'd have us in a war alongside that bungling idiot Trump in no time

Foreigners don’t just get access to benefits. There are only limited cases like when they have indefinite right to remain (which is permanent residency). And new immigration reforms will make it even more difficult

"I’m not sure I support abortion at any stage"

The main point here is that Farage's UK Head of Policy, James Orr, opposes it at every stage and under all circumstances