Voting for Reform.the north/south

[Jollyjupiter]

As a proud Northerner i can say 80 per cent of my peer group will vote for Reform in May. Do you think it will be a North v South split?

RA 302. To work with other countries to establish safe routes by which those fleeing persecution, war, or climate disaster may arrive in the country of their choice to make their case.

https://migration.greenparty.org.uk/refugee-and-asylum-policy/

This exactly.

A party that welcomes Andrew Tate the sex trafficker (tell me how it’s all immigrants after our wimmin).

A party that always votes against policies that would protect women.

Voting for Reform is a vote for the useless Tory MPs who defected to that party and caused the mess in this country in the first place

A vote for Reform is a vote for Billionaires. Farage is for fossil fuels, the billionaires and anyone else in his interest. If you think it’s bad now it will get worse.

I’m in the south and I’ve already done my postal vote and I voted reform. It’s the only way to get back control of our country.

Its no different then the covid jabs all the gob shites online they talk the loudest but the reality was there was a 88% uptake

To get back control from whom? And how will a local Reform.councillor achieve that?

Genuinely interested to learn.

I’ve not thought about it at all, but it’s an interesting question. I don’t even know what I’ll vote. No one has bothered to put a leaflet through our door. I’d like a return to fortnightly landfill and recycling bin collections on an easy to remember rotation, instead of a three weeks for landfill and 2 weeks for recycling, as there are weeks when the number of bins left out is blocking the streets.

You mean the control of our borders that Brexit supposedly was going to give us? Oh right Brexit just made things worse and created the boat situation. But hey congrats for the cognitive dissonance.

We have a local reform councillor have since last election he has done sweet FA doesn't even live here spends all his time in dubai

No i blame those who frustrated a proper Brexit at every turn and those who failed to get this country a proper deal because they never wanted Brexit to happen and didn’t manage to stop it happening! If the history of Brexit has taught us anything its that treating the people of this country as if they are inferior and stupid ( left wing and labour supporters im looking at you) or treating them as idiots really wont go down very well! Nigel Farage may well be a grifter but he speaks plainly to people on their own level and doesn’t patronise them. Unlike the very left wing middle class of this country!

I’m in North Kent and Reform is very popular . When I was young it was single mothers that apparently caused the economic problems , now it’s boomers and migrants .

I mean I'm not surprised .. 🤣

I will vote for whoever can stop the Green Loons

Thanks for this. They will establish safe routes, would there be a limit? As the demand for it would be extremely high.

Oh do you think so? I think he's massively patronising with his man of the people act. Who does he think he is?

Where will they be housed?

Is there a reason you can't read the link I posted and need me to do the research for you? Is this what PPs are saying about people being ill informed? Google is free, policies are public information, what do you need me for?

You need a new peer group.

I did read it, they don’t say. It’s nice sounding but they will run in to demand issues. The numbers who’d want a safe route, and would meet their criteria as listed is extraordinarily high. They’d be overwhelmed.

As for the attempt at the insult, no. I think they are missing the reality of demand though.

Taxes up significantly, economy flatlining and performing worse than any other G7 country, education funding destroyed in part due to policy of VAT on private school fees which n has backfired spectacularly resulting in harming the education of tens of thousands or children, a reduction in per capita funding for state schools and a bill for the taxpayer.

Labour are so bad, far worse than anything we’ve experienced before, that you have to question the motives of anyone still supporting them. Maybe some people don’t like to admit what an error they made voting for them. As with most Labour governments it will take a generation to correct the mess they leave behind.

Surely it’s cheaper to get a plane ticket than to pay a people smuggler £3000 and then throw your passport in the channel?
Why is it mainly young men ‘fleeing war’? They needed passports/id to get cross the many countries they crossed to get to the French beaches.
Good job OUR ‘young men’ didnt ‘flee war’ in 1939 leaving the elderly , women & children isn’t it.
The vast majority of these people are NOT fleeing war, religious or sexual persecution.
Do you think it was easy for gay men here? They had to fight for their right! The vast majority of men who arrive here are not gay nor Christians.
Why are we not helping the Christians being murdered in Africa? The women whose children are slaughtered in front of them?
We - the uk - cannot be the refuge for everyone
We are in economic difficulties, we have a housing crisis , apparently not enough money for defence but enough to support the tens of thousands of gay/christian/war fleeing young men who are arriving.
Billions upon billions poured into the NHS which just seems to employ more and more people but give worse and worse outcomes with more and more paid out for ‘mistakes’.
No - I don’t want the American health service here. But Germanys and France’s work very very well, costs less and has better outcomes. Why can’t we look at that?

I think it is a dog whistle, though I'll grant you not a subtle (supersonic) one.

It's a coded message to youth to say that you've been screwed over by boomers, just as much as anything that gets posted about 'forriners', and it's usually followed by (as in your post 'they're too stupid to understand'). I dislike the message since it implies youth has no agency.

I don't think dog whistles are as subtle as they used to be.

No. I'm not a Thatcherite, nor a Blairite.

Though I voted for both of them in their first term '79 and '97 - tbf, a bit like Labour in 2024 a change was desperately needed from the status quo.

I think you need to be careful when you say things like "Labour are...far worse than anything we've experienced before" because you could well be speaking from a privileged viewpoint. It's rhetoric, sure, but you risk excluding the millions of people who really suffered under previous governments.
Also if you provide evidence for your statements - "education funding destroyed" for instance, and put them into context, your argument will be more compelling!

I want to know how the reform voters think the nhs will improve if in their words "send all the foreigners home" we wouldn't have any drs or nurses left

So if you want to make a point, then make the point, don't ask me disingenuous questions.

Their overall approach to handling refugees is to work collaboratively with other countries and to help to tackle the issues that force people to leave their countries in the first place. The approach is help those who need help now, but also work on tackling the source of the issues, including work on climate change which is predicted to greatly increase the number of refugees in future, so they're taking a preventative approach there. In the meantime, the also have a policy of greatly increasing the amount of social housing.

So no, there isn't a specific number 'limit' of how many refugees they would help, because it's a fair bit more complex than that. But there is a clear holistic approach to tackling the issue.

I don't think it's a north/south thing.

Reform generally seems to attract those who are disillusioned with their life in the country. I don't think they are all idiots, but they are people who feel marginalised to some extent - financially, socially etc.

Lots of people are really struggling right now with higher taxes, higher costs of living. The main parties are giving a very muted but realistic outlook - the country is really struggling and they don't have capacity to make any big promises

Farage is appealing to those who feel like they don't have much to lose, so are happy taking the risk of an unknown, unproven party. They are being sucked into empty promises, as they need a bit of hope.

I am in the fortunate position to know I can afford my bills every month, no foreign holidays, no fancy cars etc, but I can feel confident in keeping a roof over our heads. We are also lucky to live in a lovely engaged commuinity, where people help each other and support elderly etc. I volunteer with a youth group, have a job i enjoy. My life feels rich and positive, I don't feel hopeless or desperate and would never vote for reform. But I can see how a family working all hours living in a rough area, struggling to pay their bills, overcrowded and no hope of getting social housing due to wait lists, children in a struggling school and in pain as waiting on a massive nhs wait list, would feel they needed an alternative, needed hope of change.

When the mainstream doesn't work out, people go to the extreme - just look at Hitler. People who haven't studied that period of history may assume he got in through force, through military power etc. But he was democratically elected. At a period of massive financial instability where people were struggling to eat, he promised every family a car (Volkswagon means 'the people's car') and a tv and food. And he delivered, so he became massively popular, idolised by many. That's how he got away with the terrible things he did, via persuasion, and later fear.

I hope and pray that Labour acheive a really dramatic turnaround, as if they don't, I think Reform are looking pretty likely, which would be a disaster. I would hold Starmer responsible if Reform get in!