Voting for Reform.the north/south

[Jollyjupiter]

As a proud Northerner i can say 80 per cent of my peer group will vote for Reform in May. Do you think it will be a North v South split?

No, I don't think there will be a North / South divide.

But people tend to 'hang out' with 'people like them'.

I am pretty sure NONE of my peers are going to vote for a party / Limited Company that wants to:
remove workers rights,
destroy the NHS,
reduce support for people with disabilities,

reduce or completely stop support for humanitarian causes.

That support tax breaks for billionaires and condone British Billionaires being migrants whilst condemning migrants from any other Country.

That stokes up hatred and bigotry amongst people that previously got along fine previously.
That wants to prevent women having autonomy over their own bodies
That wants to withdraw from the EHRC
That wants to completely dismantle any initiatives to promote diversity
That 'doesn't believe' in the disabilities children in school have and that want to remove the already inadequate support that is currently available for children with SEND
That wants to reduce public spending
Whose Leaders has a track record for blatant lying
etc
etc

Then, looking at the Councils where many Reform Councillors were elected last year - 70 have left (resigned or sacked) since being elected last May before you get on to reports of those who have not turned up / attempted to do the job. So many have been exposed as being completely unsuitable, and either not vetted properly or what was uncovered in the vetting completely ignored.

12 have put up Council Tax, despite campaigning on a promise of "cutting waste" and reducing Council Tax.

Yep this

In the unlikely scenario reform did ever manage to win a general election, ironically the surprise would fall primarily at the feet of the supporters themselves when they discover the majority sit within a demographic hardest hit by the very policies they have been hoodwinked into voting for

And here we have the exact issue…the superior attitude and treating anyone who wants to vote for reform as imbeciles who don’t understand what they are voting for. This is EXACTLY what happened with Brexit and look where that got the country!!!

Opposite for me. Northerner and everyone I know will continue to vote for labour as it is the least worst option.

What do you think your local council is going to do about these things? Have you looked at how well Reform have been performing in the councils they run?

This is exactly what has happened in the USA. I am more than happy for people to fuck around and find out here too.

If the cap fits...

The problem is that its really easy to highlight the problems.

And nigh on impossible to find a solution that you can make happen.

Everyone feels entitled and every successive government panders to some group or other.

The only government that would do what is necessary won't get in because their message will be unpalatable.

I think it will be a split between Reform (older voters) and Greens (younger voters).

Both are similarly inexperienced.
Both will feck it up

Of the two bad alternatives I think Reform are marginally less awful since Greens seem to have zero grasp of reality (open borders???? Wtaf)

That's not really true though, is it? Most children aren't neurodivergent. You probably hear more about the ones that are because their mums are posting on Mumsnet about it looking for advice. Does it upset you that children with autism and ADHD exist and are struggling with life?

Sorry, I might be leaving right into your point, but did the leave votes actually get what they thought they would from Brexit?

• higher food prices
• more paperwork for small businesses
• more spending on civil servants
• 6% drop in GDP
• 30% drop in exports
• huge rise in immigration (mostly caused by attempts to offset brexit’s impact)
• cuts to university funding
• cuts to agricultural subsidies
• less direct funding to areas of economic deprivation
• french citizenship for Farage

Was that what they were voting for?

Reform will do nothing to help a single person other than themselves in this country. So no, no one I know would ever consider voting for them. If people do, the decline of this country may end up irreversible.

We are already experiencing the dire fallout from Brexit, why would we vote for more of the same poor choices.

People need to properly think about this, not just go with what they've read on social media etc.

Good summary, Farage and his crew managed to do this rubbish to the country without being in charge, imagine the damage they'd do if they were!

I’m confused by your argument - Brexit has been an absolutely catastrophic shit show, are you agreeing that Reform is going to be the same?

And sadly PP is right - I work with many families who are in the Reform voting bracket and their lives will be devastated by a Reform government. I fear so much for the outcome of that 🙁

I'm from the north and live in a different part of the north, I will not be voting reform. I don't know anyone who will be and frankly, wouldn't want to know anyone who'd vote for them either.

I can't see a single reform policy that benefits ordinary working people.

Are you blaming Brexit on the people who pointed out that voting for Brexit was stupid? If people want to vote for something that will fuck over the country just because they feel like other people were a bit superior when talking about it, that actually does feel like they are idiots who don’t know what they’re voting for.

I live in Yorkshire and was chatting to one of the Labour candidates in our area yesterday. They see Reform as major competition.

Sadly, there are a lot of little Englanders who fly the England flag in parts of town so it will be a two horse race here. I would be disappointed if any of my friends voted Reform.

East Midlands and Reform voter

80% eh? Quite a claim!

We'll just have to wait and see.

I'm a local councillor ( independent) and the one reform councillor we have on our council has only attended 3 out of 16 full councils meetings this year and only attended a committee meeting once. I've attended 50 meetings this year as I serve in more committees. Reform just want the win and none of the work. All the other councillors turn up and volunteer at events we run but he never does.

I think Reform will get in the councils where I live (south east). I suspect they will do well across the country. As will possibly the Greens and Lib Dems.
I’ll never forgive Farage for Brexit. He’s a professional agitator. I’m not sure if Reform will win the GE but people dismissing the possibility are naive at best.
Successive governments ignore (or endlessly drag feet and naval gaze) public concerns about immigration and benefit dependency at their peril. This is what will lead to Reform.
Anti Reform posters (as on this thread) come across as patronising and superior. Inferring that people are stupid is not the way to change opinion. They are also wrong. Pandering to a leftest agenda never ends well in this country.

I say the above as someone who has never voted Reform, Conservative or for Brexit. But I value the centre ground and think that is the only acceptable path for this population. Blair (for all his many faults) understood this.

I don't know anyone that would vote reform.

Actually I do know one person and he is racist and narrow minded so not someone I consider a friend.

Do you ask everyone you know who they would vote for?

I agree, this is exactly like Brexit. Farage has whipped less educated (at best, bigoted at worst) voters up into a nonsensical froth promising things he never intends to deliver. And, like Brexit, if he succeeds then he’ll bring about a catastrophic outcome which delivers no benefits for the average person, puts money in the pocket of the already rich and creates a ton of new problems.

It’s really not a strong argument for you to say “this is just like Brexit, when all those smug lefties were right about Farage!”