Is Kier Starmer a liar?

[catspyjamas1]

Is Kier Starmer a liar - yes or no?

It's a simple question. I can't see this on the trending threads, so asking the question.

YABU: He reliant on civil servants to share information and is in the clear, he didn't know what he didn't know.
YANBU: He's the Prime Minister. Who happens to get briefings and knew.

Please see previous post(s) regarding my spelling error 🙄

Totally agree with this.

He's a barrister? He's never mentioned it.

@catspyjamas1

Who is the honest, non lying politician you would like to see as PM?

He lies about the fact he thinks some women can have a penis.

So Sir Keir states that the Foreign Office civil service withheld information from him that Mandelson had failed the security vetting.

I agree that this seems strange and unusual but without any evidence to the contrary, I can't see how posters can claim that Sir Keir is lying.

You know you've touched a nerve when people resort to wanging on about spelling rather than the issue you've raise a question about.. You're winning.. Unlike Kier, Raynor et al..

What was the reason he failed?

Oh aye

Good question. I'd consider Kemi and Burnham right now.

What does this actually mean?

Kemi don't lie?
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If he hadn't failed, why were mitigation put in place about which organisations he wasnt allowed to meet with without supervision?

How can the UK have someone in that position that cannot be trusted?

Why has a man who started the job 2 days after Mandleson was confirmed in post, blamed for this error?

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Oh he definitely lacks any real political instinct. That was Morgan McSweeney’s job and without McSweeney, Starmer is effectively rudderless. However, McSweeney dropped a bollock (and then some) by pushing for Mandelson to get the ambassador role. Diane Abbott and John McDonnell, who I concede are no ‘friends’ to Starmer’s administration, were correct with their contributions today. I fully believe Starmer was warned by long-serving MPs about Mandelson but failed to take heed.
Anyone with even a passing interest in politics would have realised Mandelson was damaged goods and the risk of it ending in tears again was very high.

There is an argument that Starmer was easily led by the likes of McSweeney. I can’t see how that really helps his cause though. Who appointed McSweeney?

Did anyone else note that leaked “lines to take” document given to Labour MPs today, which The Times’ Chief Political Correspondent shared just before the statement, proved to be accurate? Alison Gardner and Lola McEvoy were among the Labour MPs who read suggested questions on that out, practically word-for-word.

I like Burnham too

Kemi just plays political games. Theres no depth to her thinking. With the global sitiation we currently have she would be out of her depth.

I'm not convinced I believe Starmer's claim that had he known, he would not have gone ahead with the appointment. So much information about Mandelson appears to have been in the public domain already, re Mandelson's dealings with Epstein, China, Russia ... what more info did Starmer need to know?

Also, Starmer didn't give a satisfactory answer as to why he ignored Simon Case's advice - suggesting a political appointee should get security clearance before being announced as the PM's choice. The announcement was made before the vetting process had even started.

The grooming gangs protector Andy Burnham?

Yes!

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Keir Starmer obviously has to be diplomatic in what he says and he was at the height of diplomacy in the HoCs today.

All politicians lie. My DH would call it muddied water.

But what is noticeable is no mention of McSweeny or of Lammy.

Whether he is lying or not he is willing to try amd take the hit. Because he is invincible.

I wish I was so smart and understood et alia

As a pp highlighted, they all lie. Maybe we're on degrees of lying?!

Yes. There is no way he didnt know. He is the most incompetent Pm this country has ever had

No Liz truss taken that title.