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Is Kier Starmer a liar?

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catspyjamas1 · 20/04/2026 19:34

Is Kier Starmer a liar - yes or no?

It's a simple question. I can't see this on the trending threads, so asking the question.

YABU: He reliant on civil servants to share information and is in the clear, he didn't know what he didn't know.
YANBU: He's the Prime Minister. Who happens to get briefings and knew.

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MrsChristmasHasResigned · 20/04/2026 21:26

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 20/04/2026 21:12

Sorry just to be clear, I don't think Creasy in particular thought he was not charismatic, I think she thought he was not tellng the truth.

She kept saying warily "well he'll be giving an account of himself to the Commons", not exactly dying in a ditch over his probity.

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Oh, that is interesting. I would guess a lot of people were anti Mandleson and was surprised by his appointment - I never understood the esteem he seemed to be held in.

Dunderheided · 20/04/2026 21:28

alliumursinum · 20/04/2026 20:08

Who is this McDowell you speak of? I presume you mean John McDonnell but can't see how this was a typo....

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Ah yes, I either mis-typed there or was auto-corrected, I did mean McDonnell!

Arlanymor · 20/04/2026 21:28

I was. You got me deleted for no reason. Thanks.

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ilovesooty · 20/04/2026 21:29

Considering that Farage apparently endorsed Mandelson, Lee Anderson might have been wiser to keep his mouth shut.

Fishingboatbobbingnight · 20/04/2026 21:30

No. Work in government. Have to undergo vetting .. my boss would never be informed or know anything excep
‘ not cleared ‘ I could also be not cleared but owning office could ‘take a view .. ‘ for example - dodgy uncle with criminal convictions but I don’t have much contact with.. so cleared . ‘ failed but ok for the job’
completely believable for the PM

BlakeCarrington · 20/04/2026 21:30

MrsChristmasHasResigned · 20/04/2026 21:00

The irony of the party of Johnson, Truss and Badenoch calling someone else a liar would be unbelievable if they had not shown themselves to be utterly shameless.

At this point Johnson et al are just holding Starmer’s coat

Heyhelga · 20/04/2026 21:31

All politicians are slippery self serving power hungry liars.

IamRedCrossnotJesus · 20/04/2026 21:32

ilovesooty · 20/04/2026 21:29

Considering that Farage apparently endorsed Mandelson, Lee Anderson might have been wiser to keep his mouth shut.

Wisdom and 30p are strangers to each other.

Ironic that 30p accuses Starmer of being untruthful. Remember when 30p recruited his mate to pretend to be a random constituent?

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catspyjamas1 · 20/04/2026 21:32

TessSaysYes · 20/04/2026 19:50

Sorry. But this story is totally rubbish.
If Kemi had her way there might already be British casualties in the Gulf
Total nonsense story.

What do you mean by this? "If Kemi had her way there might already be British casualties in the Gulf"

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BlueMoonIceCream · 20/04/2026 21:33

catspyjamas1 · 20/04/2026 19:34

Is Kier Starmer a liar - yes or no?

It's a simple question. I can't see this on the trending threads, so asking the question.

YABU: He reliant on civil servants to share information and is in the clear, he didn't know what he didn't know.
YANBU: He's the Prime Minister. Who happens to get briefings and knew.

Like he had an intention to hide a friend of Epstein and enjoys unlawful activities? !

ainsleysanob · 20/04/2026 21:34

hahabahbag · 20/04/2026 20:50

No, he wasn’t told, how can he have known?

How could the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom have known?! Erm, by being the Prime Minsiter of the United Kingdom and I don’t know, finding out.

Mischance · 20/04/2026 21:35

This has all been whipped up by the media.

He asks for someone to be vetted and then is lied to about the result. What could he have done? He has to be able to rely on the civil servants doing their job properly and honestly.

IamRedCrossnotJesus · 20/04/2026 21:37

BlueMoonIceCream · 20/04/2026 21:33

Like he had an intention to hide a friend of Epstein and enjoys unlawful activities? !

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What do you mean by "unlawful activities?"

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catspyjamas1 · 20/04/2026 21:37

TeenagersAngst · 20/04/2026 20:47

I don’t think he’s lying but I also think he’s being economical with the truth.

Mandelson was announced as ambassador in Dec 2024 before vetting took place. This was daft and Starmer - a man of process - should have questioned this.

The vetting uncovered some irregularities which the FCDO, Mandelson and the security services ‘resolved’. I believe KS didn’t know about this.

Olly Robbins at the FCDO apparently thought he was legally prevented from passing any of this information- even high level- to ministers. We shall find out the truth on this tomorrow morning.

What Starmer needs to admit to is the grubby behind the scenes dealings which led to a shady man being declared ambassador before vetting had even taken place which he certainly knew about - a decision taken purely because Donald Trump was in the White House.

Everyone knows why it all happened, it’s the faux posturing in Parliament by Starmer that he’s totally innocent and not to blame that is pissing everyone off.

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Good way to sum it up: "think he’s being economical with the truth"

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Dollymylove · 20/04/2026 21:39

How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving.
Of course he was lying. Hes the running the country, its his job to know whats going on. Besides, hes a big mate of Mandelson. .

Eskarina1 · 20/04/2026 21:40

gamerchick · 20/04/2026 20:07

Christ if this is the constant shit we get before the locals, I dread what crap is going to be churned out for the general.

It's helped me decide to vote Labour as a protest against the constant attempts to destabilise us. I think we must be reaching peak shit

Heatedrival · 20/04/2026 21:40

No. His name is Keir

Heatedrival · 20/04/2026 21:41

liars include Tice and Farage. Obviously Johnson

Locutus2000 · 20/04/2026 21:41

Dollymylove · 20/04/2026 21:39

How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving.
Of course he was lying. Hes the running the country, its his job to know whats going on. Besides, hes a big mate of Mandelson. .

Keir famously can't stand the bloke.

Vera87 · 20/04/2026 21:42

Let’s put it this way. I work in a prison
if I or anyone failed vetting we can not proceed with employment

so the uk ambassador to the US failing vetting and still being allowed to take the job is a shit show.

Dollymylove · 20/04/2026 21:42

Heatedrival · 20/04/2026 21:41

liars include Tice and Farage. Obviously Johnson

They arent running the country

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