To wonder if there will be any fall out from skinny jabs?

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Everyone I know is now suddenly very slim. Okay, im exaggerating slightly, but genuinely, most of my friends who were previously overweight are all now slim thanks to skinny jabs. I am delighted for them! It seems unbelievable to think that a jab can cure this obesity crisis, but I am so pleased my friends and a couple of family members are able to live a healthier life thanks to this.

My only slight concern is, is this something that is going to be too good to be true? Do you think there will be any long term repercussions, or are we right to just celebrate this medication as a cure for something that so many have been battling for so long?

you think people use them when they can lose it without the drugs? It’s what laziness, that they haven’t tried everything else and failed?

ok, then good luck with getting your weight off and keeping it off.

Is it really you can’t afford em so are furious others can lose weight without the effort you’re needing to put in, is that it?

I don’t believe in the value of them - great, no problem, as you are aware other people will come to a different conclusion for them and that's fine. The value of them overall to the NHS obesity crisis is objectively positive, based on the available evidence.

I don’t believe in the risk presented to vulnerable people by being able to access them from less stringent providers - fine, you would therefore argue for tighter regulation of providers. No issue with that. Unless you are arguing for access to be removed altogether, or forced into an unworkable model, like NHS-only, or highly restrictive and expensive additional controls on this one specific type of medication.

I don’t believe it’s right to charge people £100+ a month to lose weight that 1) can be lost without them, and 2) shouldn’t be profited from to begin with. - fair enough, that's your value judgement. Others will have their own judgement based on their understanding of the situation. I can't lose weight without them, not long term and successfully. Many thousands of people are the same as me in that respect. I would be thrilled to know how I could have done it successfully and long term without medication, preferable before I got to 22st! I don't have an issue with private medicine and companies making profit from this market. I am thrilled that Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk have spent the millions that they have on R&D to develop these medications and I don't mind them recouping that during the patent protected period of time before generics become available.

And literally 1000s have said it works?

What effort?

You’re eating in deficit and exercising, that what I’m doing. It’s working, without the WLI.

I’m not showing you my bank balance, but I can afford them. Stop wasting your time with that repeated argument.

Stop wasting your time assuming you are the same as the rest of the over weight population!

I’m definitely not saying that.

I have an autistic son with food fixation, that kid would break your arm to reach a chocolate bar. He can have one yoghurt and become so hyper focused he’d happily eat 16 of them.

I just personally would prefer to manage that without medication. It’s by no means easy, but it’s my preference.

im genuinely glad it is so easy for you. Although I guess we are all wondering if it’s so easy why you got fat in the first place, but that’s none of our businsss.

you do need to accept it’s not quite as easy for the rest of us though, otherwise we too would have done it. We all tried, many times and failed. It’s really not we are just lazy fatties.

But we bow down to your biological and mental superiority and do keep us all updated, maybe start a thread, so you can show us all how brilliantly you’re doing.

@ChunkyMonkey36 I think the confusion is arising because people are assuming that you mean that everyone else who is obese can manage to lose weight without medication, because you can. That it's easy, achievable, a practical alternative, when it isn't.

No one wants or expects you personally to take medication that you don't want, and that you can manage without.

You start yours first about how many days a week you exercise - 4 was it? 9 somehow?

I’ll assume the “why are you fat” was genuine..

The reasons I am fat are multiple. I have my mother’s metabolism, which I’m forever not grateful for. I was bulimic between 14-22 (so was thin then!) but once “recovered” never allowed scales in the house because I become obsessive about them. I also knew I was putting weight on for years, many years, but had a real barrier to dieting and weight loss because I was concerned that if I started, I’d end up taking it too far like I did when I was younger, dieting lead to a dangerous road for me. So I just didn’t restrict, and didn’t diet.

My hand was forced medically. I was nearly 17 stone, had gallstones and fatty liver, and am pre-diabetic. I also have a young disabled child and upon hearing my health was in the bin, worried about that enough to start losing weight.

And here we are, now you don’t have to “wonder.”

@SilenceInside

Thanks, for more reasonable responses than some others.

I think everyone can lose weight, just at different paces and with varying success. Not everyone can keep it off. I don’t disbelieve food noise, as I said - my ASC son basically is food noise.

I’d like there to be ways for our relationships with and attitudes to food to be made healthier without the need for injections. I won’t be putting my son on them to help food fixation, I’d like him to learn to manage or ignore it without medical intervention.

That will be a very long road, without any immediate successes - he nearly knocked me off my feet for a biscuit this morning (which he didn’t get), but I would still prefer to follow that path so that fixation can be managed without medicating him for it.

"I’d like there to be ways for our relationships with and attitudes to food to be made healthier without the need for injections." - yes, this would be wonderful, of course it would be. But no one is investing in this, either time or money, at a societal level. I have spent decades, my whole life, not managing to find a way. I am so very tired of thinking about it. Which is why the injections have been a brilliant tool for me to sort out my behaviour around food. Furthermore, both things can be done if we want - people who want to can choose to use medication to lose weight, and everyone can work on sorting out our society and culture to help people manage their weight without all the stress.

No one will make your son have to have injections.

You think everyone can do it. Right. What in your opinion is stopping us.

You are so combative.

Food noise stops you. Like food noise makes my son want 18 yoghurts. Currently, I stop him, and WLI stops you.

But the idea that if you could manage food noise without WLI, you could lose weight in the same way as you are now (deficit and movement) cannot be that alien to you.

WLI aren’t making you in a deficit. You are. They’re not actually magic. That deficit is possible (but significantly harder for some) without them.

Unless you’re about to say you cannot create a deficit without them, rather than it being more difficult to do so, in which case you’re just looking for an argument because you can, or you’d have never lost weight before.

It’s not just “more difficult”, evidence shows that for the very large majority it’s practically impossible to move from obese to healthy and then stay there long term (5 years or more). The chances are tiny. Not actually impossible for everyone, but practically extremely unlikely. Which is why we have an obesity issue that is not improving!

It's perfectly reasonable to want there to be no need for injections, generally. But until there's evidence of other methods working on a societal level, which means formerly obese people keeping the weight off long term, that desire means absolutely sod all. No problem with anyone voicing that desire and understanding it's no more than their feelings, of course.

Nope. Try again, what stopped me was signficant metabolic issues, significantly increased cortisol due to peri, causing weight gain, leading to sleep apnea and high blood pressure, coupled with insulin resistance and metabolic disease. Try to get yourself out of that when you don’t sleep and feel ill and exhausted every day,

although happy to pass on my gps details and you can give them it’s just food noise?

You think im combative but im reacting to your comments, and you don’t like it.You’re the one on line telling everyone they can lose weight without drugs and why they can’t. And getting it badly wrong.

we are using the drugs, no one cares if you don’t, no one is asking you to. Stay fat, lose it without, no one cares. And we ask the same respect back. Our bodies, our choice.

Confused why your GP didn’t prescribe them, in that case.

I didn’t say “just” food noise, did I.

I’m not arguing with you. Others have managed to have this conversation with far less attitude about it. You’re argumentative, and it’s tedious.

I don’t need a sermon on sleep issues thank you. I’ve got a 9 year old who still sleeps like a newborn. Last night wake ups were 11pm, 1am and up at 4am. He’s been doing that for nine years, I also have CFS for extra added exhaustion. I am well aware of the impact sleep issues have on your body, and your ability to lose weight.

Maybe if you engaged without the constant chip on your shoulder, we might get further. You’re not the only person with a BMI you want(ed) to get down and barriers in your way.

The GP wouldn’t have prescribed Mounjaro as the qualifying criteria exclude the vast majority. You need a BMI over 40 and 4 out of 5 specific health conditions. @Backawayfromthesausage sounds like she’d only have 2 out of the 5, so no dice. Wegovy would only be prescribed on Tier 3 of the specialist weight loss service, if your NHS area offers it, many just offer bariatric surgery. I think the rules are not so strict in a Scotland but there the waiting lists are long and many areas don’t have funding anyway.

yes, correct, and my bmi was 32.

i astounded someone is arguing not to have them and doesn’t even understand the prescribing criteria from the nhs,

I didn’t give you a sermon on sleep issues. Nor did I ask you about yours.

I, on the other hand, don't find it remotely surprising.

I was offered Wegovy rather than Mounjaro, as I had a BMI of 42.5 and relevant comorbidities. I actually shouldn’t be offered it at all, as far as I’m aware, because of my previous ED but that’s by the by.

Frankly starting from a BMI that needed nudging by 2 points to get down into overweight sounds like the dream.

I’ll get called a gatekeeper and told that obese is obese. But tbh I’m not particularly bothered, because it’s not, is it.

It's not the gatekeeping that's the problem, it's the being wrong.