To wonder if there will be any fall out from skinny jabs?

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Everyone I know is now suddenly very slim. Okay, im exaggerating slightly, but genuinely, most of my friends who were previously overweight are all now slim thanks to skinny jabs. I am delighted for them! It seems unbelievable to think that a jab can cure this obesity crisis, but I am so pleased my friends and a couple of family members are able to live a healthier life thanks to this.

My only slight concern is, is this something that is going to be too good to be true? Do you think there will be any long term repercussions, or are we right to just celebrate this medication as a cure for something that so many have been battling for so long?

I do worry as saw about the increase in thyroid cancer. My mum died from it and I have two realities taking it. They have done incredibly well and sure it’s life saving for them in other ways. I’m not overweight but have to be careful as put on easily. I completely understand how it’s a miracle drug for some.

Actually this thread has been one of the ‘nicer’ ones I’ve read. Some have been absolutely awful.
Posters have actually said they are looking forward to seeing the major side effects show up in the coming years. Why do you think that might be @ChunkyMonkey36? why would someone actively wish negative side effects on WLI users if they don’t give a shit about someone losing weight on them?

So far they’ve seen no evidence of an increase in humans using Mounjaro. The study you’re thinking of was when it was tested on rodents.

I just saw it was an FDA warning but good to know in rodents not humans. Thank you 🙏

Yes it was seen in early trials on mice, so goes on the box, but was tweaked and never seen again.

I think that’s more likely to be because of the opinion that they’re either too good to be true, or haven’t been used for this purpose long enough for anyone to truly know what long term effects would be.

That’s not a personal attack on the people using them, that’s casting aspersions on the drugs themselves. Which unless you’ve got some sort of complex, you wouldn’t take personally or feel the need to defend.

But again the human body is the human body and no one surely can be so poorly informed they think that the scientists and doctors cannot accurately extrapolate the data if someone doesn’t have diabetes. It’s been proven time and time again, for many many drugs, they can.

so I’d say people shouldn’t take it personally if they post inaccurate stuff and get it corrected. As surely everyone just wants accurate information.

Being morbidly obese put me at a high risk of developing all sorts of life threatening conditions, one of them being cancer.

You would like to think they do, yes.

But on the other side of things, if they’re working for you and you’re confident there won’t be any side effects further down the line, that there is no “catch,” isn’t that enough?

There’s like a need for validation of how well they’re working and how much weight has been lost, and I just don’t get it.

I’m on a certain contraceptive pill, it works for me, I don’t have any unseemly side effects - I wouldn’t defend it if someone thought otherwise, or die on a hill for it. It’s not mine, I didn’t make it, I’m not a representative of it.

It just all seems a bit… much.

You might respond (not defend, respond) if the suggestion was that you shouldn’t be able to access that contraceptive pill, or that barriers should be put in your way that are unnecessary, or that you are morally dubious for taking it, or that people are claiming totally unjustified side effects connected to it, or wish that you would experience these imaginary future side effects…

No one here is “dying on a hill” or “defending” - any response to point out inaccuracies is prone to being cast as defensive, angry or cult like.

Yes, I believe there will be things coming out the woodwork in 10+ years time, like with vaping.

Who has suggested that people who are obese shouldn’t be able to access WLI?

I personally have suggested better medical accountability, which I believe you (?) said that if companies don’t meet compliance criteria they’ll be prevented from selling. Good, fair enough, no further questions.

I’ve also said that I don’t believe people with a SW that gives them a healthy BMI (or within a few lbs of) should have them as readily available. I stand by that. Obesity is a disease, if you don’t have it, you don’t require treatment for it. I also think the risk of use being linked to ED is higher when you start it from a lower weight, so I believe that should either be impossible, or tighter.

Absolutely none of that is a personal attack, or even a controversial opinion, so I don’t think it requires a defensive response.

Yes and I don’t believe that the majority of responses are defensive, until people are irritated by people posting more and more nonsense. Plenty of people on this thread have suggested that access be removed or significantly restricted with no reasonable justification. People are not referring to rational posts that are basically repeating the current status quo, like your examples.

Sorry, you’re wrong. I’ve read these threads and I most certainly don’t have a complex.
These are people who in their own words are ‘looking forward’ to the nasty side effects. Because WLI are lazy. No concerns about safety or data, just pure spite.

Agree @SwingTheMonkey ! Every single time the topic comes up!

And then we’re accused of being “defensive” the speculation and glee that it may go wrong in 10 years is unbelievable! I wonder how many of those had covid jabs, maybe they’ll backfire in 10 years? But they took the “risk” because they wanted to avoid serious illness or death……… bit like being obese really?

I don’t believe in them on many levels, one of them being how regularly they’re misused, I also don’t like the idea that these companies are profiting in such volume from (mainly) women trying to increase their health or self esteem.

For transparency, I also don’t see the validity of taking a WLI that makes me lose 1-1.5lb per week when I can do that myself by making lifestyle changes without them. They would be a waste of my money.

But - that’s not personal to you, I don’t care what you put into your body, my issue with them are wider (like the profiteering) and personal to me - I don’t want the “easy” out for myself. Because I don’t believe it is an easy out, and I could have lost weight years ago by putting the effort in then, without medication and didn’t.

What we see on these threads though is that nobody is allowed to point out that weight loss without this wonder drug is possible, that companies are making 100s a month from people who are trying to better themselves in one way or another, or that misuse use of them is too widely available.

You can’t talk about those systemic issues without people thinking you’re attacking them and their choices, when actually you don’t give a shit about their individual journey, because you don’t know who they are, and are talking outside of their individual box.

It’s not personal, I don’t know any of you well enough to be personal, but still the persecution line gets trotted out.

Are you opposed to the profiteering with weight watchers, Jane plan, slimming world, slim fast and UPF (considered very health damaging) low calorie meals?

I think we’re talking about different levels though aren’t we.

Slimming world and the like aren’t charging people £100s a month.

But - yes.

I think people selling shakes like we don’t all know nobody lives off them forever, and will put the weight back on once they come off them, because that’s not a sustainable lifestyle change, are just making money from desperate people.

I think anyone actively making profit from other people’s vulnerabilities is disgusting, and if they were that wonderful - the NHS would be giving them out like sweets already.

Is there an amount of profiteering that's acceptable? I'm wondering as well does the cumulative total matter or if its all about each individual profiteer. Because for any given obese person, they could be paying out money to eg Slimming World and also Big Pharma could be quids in selling the medication for their obesity related conditions. My MJ is about £25 a week all in, no way there aren't obese people not on WLIs whose obesity is lining pockets more lavishly than that.

On the NHS sweets point, this entirely ignores logistics.

The big difference of course being that there was no testing or approval process before vaping was launched to the market, it is not in any way controlled beyond basic manufacturing tests for general quality because it’s considered a consumer good not a medicine or food.

WLI medications on the other hand have been used by over 60 million people globally, have been in use since around the 1980s and have been rigorously tested via numerous clinical trials.

They’re charging £100s over time, same difference?

no idea what you’re saying here?

I think people selling shakes like we don’t all know nobody lives off them forever, and will put the weight back on once they come off them, because that’s not a sustainable lifestyle change, are just making money from desperate people.

I think anyone actively making profit from other people’s vulnerabilities is disgusting, and if they were that wonderful - the NHS would be giving them out like sweets already.

They are to certain patients, this has recently been extended also.

I don’t believe in them on many levels

this is just an odd thing to write. Believe is about accepting somethings existence, and opinion based thought, because no evidence exists on whether it does exist or not. You can’t not beleive in a medication that exists. It exists.

you possibly mean you don’t agree people should be able to access them as they do, or the model used, and that’s fine, I also don’t agree with big pharma profiting as they do. But that’s not something I can change. I also feel they should be much more widely available due to the safety record, and the fact they are so seldom abused, because it’s the black market stuff that’s the issue.

but to say you don’t beleive, is like saying you don’t beleive in cars or the rain. It is not belief based.

but fortunately for the world health, no one is beating a path to your door asking your opinion on them, that’s left to the scientists and the regulators, who are fully up to date on them and experts in their field. And they do believe. Because unlike you they can quantify risk and looo at thw wider benefits to society.

Giving what our like sweets, the meds? You don’t know thr reason is because of cost?

Okay, I apologise - I don’t believe in the value of them, I don’t believe in the risk presented to vulnerable people by being able to access them from less stringent providers, and I don’t believe it’s right to charge people £100+ a month to lose weight that 1) can be lost without them, and 2) shouldn’t be profited from to begin with.

Hope this clarifies my “beliefs.” Or - opinions.

So you’re disputing that some people can’t lose weight because of food noise? You are essentially saying it’s not a real thing?