To wonder if there will be any fall out from skinny jabs?

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Everyone I know is now suddenly very slim. Okay, im exaggerating slightly, but genuinely, most of my friends who were previously overweight are all now slim thanks to skinny jabs. I am delighted for them! It seems unbelievable to think that a jab can cure this obesity crisis, but I am so pleased my friends and a couple of family members are able to live a healthier life thanks to this.

My only slight concern is, is this something that is going to be too good to be true? Do you think there will be any long term repercussions, or are we right to just celebrate this medication as a cure for something that so many have been battling for so long?

Where as this is correct, it is only part of the story, it has not impacted over all suicide rates, meaning people have sadly moved to other methods.

it’s always best to provide a whole picture rather than a snippet that supports you.

But it hasn’t reduced suicide attempts, just suicide/attempts by paracetamol.

Well, I'm not a learned research fellow like you, but I do know there are at least 100 people in the States alone suffering from permanent blindness as a result of trusting these drugs would help improve their health.

The link is to be tested in the eventual multidistrict lawsuit. Currently:

"Federal courts have continued to move forward with the MDL proceeding, advancing pretrial coordination and case development. A Science Day has been scheduled for June 2, 2026, signaling the court’s next phase of evaluating the scientific evidence underlying plaintiffs’ claims."

I was responding to the following comment about paracetamol, and explaining that in the case of paracetamol, action had been taken to stop people who didn’t have headaches. I hadn’t intended my reply to lead to a discussion about paracetamol in general.

“Do you think we should stop people getting paracetamol in case an extremely small number of people don't really have headaches and are going to misuse the drug?”

"I do know there are at least 100 people in the States alone suffering from permanent blindness as a result of trusting these drugs would help improve their health."

Well, you and we don't know that. We don't know if those people would have suffered NAION regardless. That's because we don't know enough about it yet to be certain that there is a causal link with GLP1s. None of the studies quoted in the US mass action lawsuits state that causality is proven. The US has a vastly different healthcare model and litigation model, and the existence of these court cases does not indicate a definitive issue with these medications and NAION.

eh I hate to keep doing this, as every time I do the poster runs away and hides.

xan you link to this, as I used ai to scrape the internet and no such number exists, in fact it’s the opposite, not one proven case of nailon blindness due to the drugs.

so for the third time on seeing mad claims, can you provide the link to this and if so I’m happy to be proven wrong.

Can i sit next to you and wait with you? I’m very interested in these claims and the proof….

I’ll provide the popcorn. Think it will be a long wait..

It's actually turning out to be a wonder drug that treats all sorts!

Shall I bring wine?

Ooh yes please. ..

In the US court case mentioned in this quote -

"Federal courts have continued to move forward with the MDL proceeding, advancing pretrial coordination and case development. A Science Day has been scheduled for June 2, 2026, signaling the court’s next phase of evaluating the scientific evidence underlying plaintiffs’ claims." which seems to come from this website (https://www.seegerweiss.com/product-liability/glp-1-naion-vision-loss-lawsuit/)

there are 20 current plaintiffs alleging that GLP1s caused NAION and alleging that the manufacturers of Wegovy/Ozempic and Mounjaro/Zepbound did not give a warning that NAION is a possible side effect when they knew it was and could have given a warning to potential users.

So 20 plaintiffs alleging that GLP1s caused their NAION instances, in a law suit where none of this is at all proven at the moment.

What I find fascinating as ever is the sheer passion and anger that some on here will argue with, in support of these weight loss jabs.

They will find and forensically take apart any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise.

There is a cult-like fervour in this country in the UK for these drugs, led by people who would never have been able to achieve a successful weight loss outcome otherwise.

I am genuinely happy for them that in their own worlds, they have managed to achieve their goals.

I am very concerned however that they would want to participate in a mass exercise to help others stick their fingers in their ears.

Weight loss medicine has side effects, and it may well be another decade before we find out the real effects to some.

you can come join us with some wine and popcorn as we wait for the link the the 100 people who are proven blind due to the drugs.

om also still waiting for the link to show insurers in the USA require dexa scans to prescribe and that it’s been proven to cause dangerously low muscle mass. Oh and the poster who decided they know my own body compostion better than any scan can provide and I can’t have a high muscle mass and an athletic build.

They will find and forensically take apart any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise

otherwise known as correcting misinformation?

I agree.

Some people talk about these drugs like they’re a one person marketing campaign for them.

Oh this old chestnut again……if you counter argue

You’re defensive, angry, over passionate.

You must just sit there accepting that the ones criticising, spouting nonsense, no actually statistics, no actual proof are wrong!

You are of course “concerned” for them, but you’ve no actually proof that after 20 years of trials, that it proved safe, it’s not going to be until another 10 years before our heads boil, we go blind, we all die.

Opps ……. I shouldn’t voice my feelings, i
must be angry and sticking my fingers in my ears! Because I disagree with your nonsense!

I should no my place and it’s to be obese and live a restricted and short life.

Thanks sooooo much for your “concern”, but I’m fat not stupid!

Hmm, is this yet another example of WLIs inspiring people to exaggerate? Because again, it would be fine just to say this is a claim being brought in a US court and while there's been no evidence as of yet, I think it merits watching. That would be reasonable. But for whatever reason the poster made much more of it than that.

*know my place

"There is a cult-like fervour in this country in the UK for these drugs, led by people who would never have been able to achieve a successful weight loss outcome otherwise."

The problem with this, @JacquesHarlow is that it casts any subsequent comment from anyone discussing WLI from the point of view of challenging claims made about them, as irrational, emotional and unreasonable.

I guess I am one of your alleged "cult members" who will attempt to "find and forensically take apart any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise". I don't see why anyone would have a problem with forensically taking apart claims of evidence. If evidence is robust and supported then it won't be able to be taken apart. It's a good thing to examine claims and look at the evidence for them.

WHOA. Ok I should have known better not to enter this topic.

@Witchonenowbob wow.

Wow, I stood up for myself against nonsense and faux concern?

But ok for you to act like people taking it are stupid, unable to make informed decisions, angry, defensive, sticking our fingers in our ears and going to regret our decision in 10 years, despite scientific facts saying we won’t?

We should just sit quietly and take this, should we?

Nope, I’ll argue and stand my ground, is that ok?

Don’t want people to counter argue, then don’t put inflammatory comments out?

You call what I write "nonsense', @Witchonenowbob .

Why is it "nonsense"...

Have you read this in the Lancet yet?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(24)00240-2/fulltext

Or this?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11144546/

Do I need to go on?

Look. I'm not acting as if people taking it are "stupid".

What I'm concerned about is that some people who are taking it, and then posting on here, are vehemently shouting other people down who post evidence. They are so eager to discredit that evidence that they refuse to examine it, and instead resort to aggression.

I wasn't being "inflammatory", I was presenting another point of view.

Is that ok?

The best way not to have any 'evidence' taken apart is, of course, to ensure that the things you say are correct.

No worries @Binus . Please write in to the Lancet and the US National Library of Medicine and ask them to issue an immediate correction.