To wonder if there will be any fall out from skinny jabs?

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Everyone I know is now suddenly very slim. Okay, im exaggerating slightly, but genuinely, most of my friends who were previously overweight are all now slim thanks to skinny jabs. I am delighted for them! It seems unbelievable to think that a jab can cure this obesity crisis, but I am so pleased my friends and a couple of family members are able to live a healthier life thanks to this.

My only slight concern is, is this something that is going to be too good to be true? Do you think there will be any long term repercussions, or are we right to just celebrate this medication as a cure for something that so many have been battling for so long?

Don't need to go to that extent these days, what would Mother Nature think?! That is not what she intended.

Mother nature would be very happy to see someone eating real food as she intended and going periods without eating so as to remain highly insulin sensitive and not fall into the obesity trap.

Oh, thanks for explaining how easy it is.

So if eat all the “real” food I want for the next week, I’ll lose weight. Right?

Well I am no expert but I think if used correctly then I suspect there will be more positives than negatives. I know quite a few people who have used them and they all have positive stories except for one who may have impacted their bone density. But I think bone density issues can be addressed by ensuring weight exercise.

Obesity is complex and if medication helps then that is a positive. All medication has associated risks.

I am particularly interested in how it might help with addiction

Indeed. Not some privileged modern three day water fast though, that's for amateurs.

NHS wants ppl to lose weight but same NHS will leave you on a waiting list in pain with gallstones if you do develop gall bladder disease from weight loss

Ask me how i know

I couldn’t comment on your individual circumstances as there may be complex factors at play. I don’t know your medical history or what meds you may be on etc.

Im talking in average terms that if one starts to eat real food they can eat a lot and still lose weight easily. In fact, they may be astonished at how quickly they lose weight initially.

But they need to eat real food - not pseudo foods like grains & wheat.

I did. And I am.

It's amazing how easy it is to put on weight eating organic lamb, organic vegetables (steamed, not fried), stews, salmon, sea bass and whatnot. You just have to eat slightly more than you need (going on progesterone contraception long term, a flare up of autoimmune disease stopping you from exercising intensively five days a week - and the underlying thought that maybe he'd be less likely to be able to pick you up by the throat if you were heavier and then the sense of freedom to eat without being shouted at for looking at a man the wrong way - also assisted in the process).

It means that medical staff are somewhat surprised that your HbAC1, cholesterol and blood pressure are so normal despite your physical appearance (I'm probably the equivalent of grass fed cattle, tbh), but I can promise you, it's just as easy as long as you have a bit more energy taken in than you expend.

NHS diagnosed me with insulin resistance PCOS when I was 23 but refused me medication or weight management guidance telling me to eat less and move more, when I then developed Gestational diabetes when I was 30 after 3 years TTC, I was very quickly put on insulin and metformin. I was able to lose weight while pregnant and on medication because my insulin was being controlled but it and the metformin was taken away as soon as I gave birth. I was then not able to get HbA1c testing until I presented at A&E with the readings from my Freestyle Libre glucose sensor I bought myself off of Amazon when I was 41 showing I had sugar readings 3 times above the highest level for normal. This was after months of going to the doctors telling them I felt unwell and being told to do more exercise. The diabetes team said my various blood and other tests showed I’d had uncontrolled diabetes for years and that it probably was just T2 diabetes when I was pregnant not gestational diabetes.

This. It is like people criticising these jabs have never heard of diabetes (for which they were developed) or fertility treatments... Or any host of conditions that require regular injections.

But didn’t Mother Nature create grains and wheat?

How else am I supposed to live if I can’t live off the land!

She did indeed but not really for our consumption hence why they are a relatively recent addition to the human diet. She also didn’t intend for humans to genetically manipulate them and then grind them into little particles that form the basis for modern junk food: cookies, cakes, pizza, pasta, muffins, waffles, pastries, bread. The list goes on.

Our ancestors lived off the land not by grinding up wee grains but by hunting beasts.

There was someone who said their biggest worry was people paying privately for the injections will have their medical conditions wiped under the carpet and in future years won't receive help for that condition as they will be poo-pood that taking these injections is all that is needed. Everyone can pay privately for any such treatment they need.

In a way I agree I have/have had the injections privately for weight loss and it does things to my diabetes (yes type 2 life style as the next person with type 2) blood readings that have seen me stripped off Metformin with a bmi still in the 40's and it was praise the nhs (it has nothing to do with the nhs when I'm privately buying) (got metformin prescription back now) whereas someone receiving injections on the nhs keeps all medication from what I make of it even with the most amazing of results and stays on this drug, for life?.

Oh. So raw wheat and loads of beef.

Got it, thank you.

@darksideofthetoon is that entirely accurate though? I thought there was evidence that humans pre agriculture would have eaten a lot of wild seeds, nuts, roots and grains and processed them by grinding and so on.

If weight loss injections make everyone thin then surely obesity will no longer be normal and problem solved.

That's not actually true. There is evidence of bread making going back as far 15,000 years and evidence that early humans built settlements close to where wild grains grew. However, these grains and bread products were very, very different from what we eat now.

We also weren't hunters, for the most part, fwiw. We were primarily foragers. We ate mostly honey, nuts, seeds, fruits, and grains. Meat was an occasional treat, not a staple.

Ancient diets also varied massively based on region and the availability of food.

15,000 years is fairly recent in the span of human existence.

@darksideofthetoon

I don’t think Mother Nature would be impressed with this technology we’re using to have this conversation.

Unless you’ve ever grown or reared an iPhone.

Sadly I can assure you it isn't getting any cheaper at all however, it is life changing for changing for people who have life long goals obesity issues. Truth be known it should be less expensive people that are paying for it are the saving the government a fortune. Peoples concern is completely disingenuous they're just butt hurt because at last their is a level playing field!! Nobody was concerned when diabetics were using it because fat people have now found something that works natural slimmer people really would prefer we suffer!!

Worth pointing out that lots of the animals, fruits and vegetables we eat have been subject to significant genetic manipulation also.

She’s a very feisty lady is Mother Nature! She doesn’t agree with many things we do on this planet.

But she has her ways of trying to tell us if we look & listen.

So how do you decide that it’s okay to anger her by using your phone to lecture strangers on the internet, but not okay to not eat an exclusively fruit and beef based diet?

Just wondering where and why you’re drawing your Mother Nature line 🤷🏻‍♀️

I am on Ozempic. I’m on week 4 so still on the starting dose. I am
also on metformin. Both thanks to a recent diagnosis of type 2 diabetes.
I have been overweight since my teens. I have struggled with cravings, horrendous food noise and never feeling full.
For the first time in my life I know when I’ve had enough to eat. I do not crave anything. I can go into a shop and buy only what I went in for. I am
not distracted by food. I am sleeping better. I feel so full of energy. I am happier. I have not weighed myself but I know I have already lost some weight.

Maybe your concerns are genuine but you wouldn’t write this post about someone using an inhaler for asthma, medication for blood pressure, cholesterol or antibiotics for an infection.

Fat people are judged as lazy, greedy and undisciplined.
Judged for being overweight and putting strain on our health services.
And now we are judged for using medication to treat the problem.
I don’t care what anyone thinks about my being on ozempic and I certainly won’t be lying about taking it.
I don’t judge anyone for the medication they need and wouldn’t even think about it. So OP, maybe do your research quietly if you are genuinely considering it and keep your judgments to yourself.

Just saw pics of Coleen Nolan. Not sure if she’s on WLI, but if she is, good for her. She’s partnered with Voy, so I assume she is on a GLP.

She looks at least 10 years younger having lost 3.5 stone, and really 100x better.