AIBU to think the Prime Minister cannot stay in post?

[Bertiebiscuit]

So our Prime Minister is doing what he does best - blaming someone else for his own mistakes. But i really think he's done for this time - if he didn't know he's incompetent, if he did know he's lying to Parliament and the whole country. Either way i don't see how he can expect to keep his job. It's frightening how little he cared for Mandelson 's cosying up to a sex abuser, paedophile and human trafficker.

But today is not about someone failing the vetting, it’s about the handling of it.

agreed 💯 does the PM think we are all a village of idiots not to see he wasn’t fully briefed.

sounds like Rach & Wes must be on here trying to rally support their own human shield 😂
@gamerchick and @NancyBellaDonna

Johnson didn't fail the vetting as foreign secretary.

This is such a strange lie to post - it's very easy to check.

By handling it, you mean it was fine to make him PM?

As far as I know Mandelson wasn’t made PM.

So juvenile. The world is in a serious place right now and you think it's funny.

It seems to me the the country and the press have got used to a constant churn of new prime ministers every few years: it gives the media something to fill their socials and 24 hour news channels with and the people something to focus on instead of the real issues. I just wish that it would stop. This is the first government we have had that actually has an interest in trying to fix some of our chronic problems and all the noise is distracting.

I absolutely agree.

Even if I were not to support the party who are in government I recognise the importance of stability for the role of PM. We have had years of constant changes and dramas around the PM (from incompetence or in party fighting) this needs to stop it only benefits the press and those in politics that are agitators and have no real interest in improving the lives of the public

@HRTQueenAbsolutely spot on! 👏 I'm surprised and pleased the op "is being unreasonable" is in the lead too as I write. Thank goodness there's still sense out there

The problem is that politics nowadays is full of low-quality people. On both (all) sides.

Sorry what has happened to Trump the actual sex offender. Nothing?

why are you trying to destabilise the country this with nonsense.

boris lied to parliament ALL THE TIME

get a memory love

I'm only here to see if the poster who seems to regard me as their personal bête noire appears. 👋

Yes, that is exactly what he should do, this wasn’t some junior civil servant, this was a senior position in the government and the person was already known as the dark prince and had previously been sacked….twice.

He absolutely should have asked questions at the very least.

He has been inept at everything since before government when Sunak called him out saying he would raise our taxes and he stood and smirked, sadly the right got split and it let this lot in, whom I assume you support given your defence of the indefensible.

The worry is if he goes, who the hell comes in. Tax dodge raynor? Mad Ed? Women can have a penis Burnham (if elected)? 0 points mastermind Lammy? I wont put up your tax Rachel Thieves, I will do it twice instead?

It’s one train wreck after another and this muppet is the best they have to offer.

people mock the tories but it took them 14 years to implode, this lot haven’t done two years yet.

Trump is the President of another country.

Boris did lie to parliament all the time.

Labour and Starmer were supposed to be better.

For all the people who criticise people who say "politicians are all as bad as each other".

There's not much argument against that at the moment, is there?

"News" is 24/7 so there's a constant desire from news broadcasters to fill lots of empty spaces with new news, as a result they just end up generating content themselves and working everyone up into a frenzy of also wanting something new and different every five minutes.

Bring back a time when we got the news at 6, 9 and 10 plus an early edition of the next day's paper.

14 years to implode

what the hell are you talking about have you forgotten Cameron running off from his responsibilities, May called a snap election to strengthen her party and it backfired in a spectacular way

and May was a far far better politician than the two who followed, both pushed out one not lasting two months and the third who just was never up to the job

you obviously not a supporter of Starmer but when making a point do a little research beforehand

The reason that the Mandelson appointment is such a big issue is that it's not the first time that Starmer has blamed / sacked his officials or advisors. His protestations that he is more upset than anyone are rather unconvincing.

There are other Labour figures with their eye on the top job but none are going to put themselves forward before the local election results on May 7th. I think Starmer is politically quite centrist and the general tone of this thread is that most people can tolerate his politics, even if they find him unlikeable.

With that in mind, the main candidates to replace him don't look good. Angela Rayner has the potential to be the new Liz Truss IMO, just not bright enough to run the country. Ed Miliband's enthusiasm for green policies would leave the UK dependent in the short-term on purchasing energy at a record-high cost. Wes Streeting might be the least worst in that he would be a different face for the same policies, perhaps a bit more connected to the average voter, but he's relatively untested.

Boris Johnson was known to be a liar, years before he ever got into Parliament, you knew if you voted for him what you were getting. Trouble was the alternatives were either Jeremy Corbyn who appeased anti-semitism, or the Lib Dems who would have cancelled Brexit without a referendum.

Keir Starmer's biggest mistake was appointing Peter Mandelson to be ambassador. His reasons for resigning twice were known about, and that was enough not to do so to begin with. Even though all about his friendship with the paedophile Epstein and the treasonous betrayal of state matters was unknown at the time.

Keir Starmer is a weak man, and all of his problems stem from this.

So Starmer resigns and someone else steps up. And then the howling hordes will just bay for the successors blood. This is all about some people refusing to accept that it is legitimate to have a government that isn't of the right.

I don’t know who the ‘howling hordes’ are but if his successor makes the same mistakes then they will be asked to resign as well.

Or do you think the PM should be above criticism?

Not at all, but there is a difference between legitimate criticism and the kind of hounding this government have had from day 1. Starmer has handled this badly, Mandelson shouldn't have been considered for the US ambassador post, but the right wing press and much of Mumsnet have never given Starmer and this government a chance.

Right. So Boris Johnson set an extraordinarily low bar for the role of PM. Starmer is miles away from anything like "pro-rogueing parliament under false pretences". In a world of Donald Trump running America, the standards we seem to be applying to our own PM seem ludicrous to me. One rule for the right wing (who can be completely shameless criminals), one for the left wing (who have to be god-like perfect humans).

What I struggle to understand is why people are so easily influenced by foreign owned media that clearly have a vested interest in disruption.

Leave the guy be. The constant calls for him to go are getting repetitive and just a hate campaign. Most of it has been baseless. It feels like "Keir Starmer sneezed this morning, prompting calls for him to resign"

Not at all, but there is a difference between legitimate criticism and the kind of hounding this government have had from day 1.
That could have been because he positioned himself as better than the rest. Whereas it turns out that he isn't.
The hounding has been because of (a) poor decisions from Day 1 and/or (b) the number of U-turns as they undo those decisions.
He has no backbone.

No one’s been hounding them.

its all been unforced errors.