AIBU to think the Prime Minister cannot stay in post?

[Bertiebiscuit]

So our Prime Minister is doing what he does best - blaming someone else for his own mistakes. But i really think he's done for this time - if he didn't know he's incompetent, if he did know he's lying to Parliament and the whole country. Either way i don't see how he can expect to keep his job. It's frightening how little he cared for Mandelson 's cosying up to a sex abuser, paedophile and human trafficker.

This is making me sick. PM didn't know. had no idea. It was someone else. No, it was also someone other than someone else. It wasn't his fault. He had no idea.

When Mandelson was appointed everyone who knew anything wondered what the actual fuck and what he had on others. It was embarrassing and i know that DH and I (me, a former Labour voter) Said this was a MAJOT error and it would turn aorund to bite KS in the arse. It was also an indication of how rotten things were at the heart of the Labour party who pretended yo be be whiter than white.

Now KS is twisting and turning like it's his last gasp on the gallows.

He is a disgrace. I/m ashamed to have voted for him.

It's not for you to say whether it's in the best interests of other people.

This.

Things are so volatile right now globally. Why would we want to encourage our PM to resign, and then have to wait for however long it will take for Labour to elect a new leader.

Being a rudderless ship at the moment would be a really bad move.

We need stability. Not another leadership contest.

I think he's doing a good job under difficult circumstances. Boris Johnson failed his vetting before becoming foreign minister and none of the papers gave a shit. It seems that the media are increasingly biased towards the right wing .

A female MP in Parliament just said it was leaked to the press, so the government had no choice but to announce it.

Its ridiculous to keep switching prime ministers - people baying for this do not have the best interests of the country at heart. We need stability. We need to come across internationally as a serious, level headed country.
Having said which, this Mandelson business is bizarre, it makes no sense to me why Keir Starmer or the Foreign Office would lie about him passing the security clearance. We need to get to the bottom of it.
I hope after a thorough investigation Keir Starmer is exonerated because we cannot keep upsetting the apple cart and churning through PMs. At the very least Keir should not be replaced until we find out what’s really happened. Mandelson should not be allowed to derail everything else.

The man is a charlatan. I’m embarrassed to have him as UK PM. He and his party are an unmitigated disaster and we are all paying the price.

I can imagine the buyers regret from those who voted Labour despite being told how it would play out is significant albeit they won’t want to admit just how wrong they were.

Nonsense. I’m not particularly a Starmer fan but I don’t see how him not being told something makes him incompetent.

Starmer isn't providing stability. He's endlessly lurching from one crisis to he next because of his lack of leadership. He's lost control of his government and the confidence of the British people.

Because there is LITERALLY no way he was not told.

Exactly this.

Some people seem addicted to the Tory introduced psychodrama and seemingly constant change of leadership we experienced for a while when they were in power.

As for another General Election, give over! It's the last thing the country needs.

YANBU.

At the end of the day he wanted to appoint Mandelson. He doesn’t understand politics properly and this business is further evidence of that. Throwing the Civil Service under a bus is feckless. The “Mandelson files” released already show Starmer was sent a briefing report 9 days before Mandelson’s appointment, which flagged many things about Mandelson. Starmer can’t get away from that. What’s in the public domain about Simon Case advising Starmer to get the vetting done before the appointment is also something Starmer can’t get away from.

It’s all very well trying to say it was usual process for the vetting to be completed after a person’s appointment was confirmed but they were dealing with someone who had been twice disgraced as a Cabinet Minister, cavorted with Russian oligarchs aboard their yachts and even had sleaze allegations over things like freebie holidays while he was a European Commissioner. It seems Starmer either didn’t give a feck or didn’t appreciate the risk Mandelson’s appointment would end in tears, which seemed likelier than not based on Mandelson’s well-documented history.

I think the fact Jonathan Powell has come out and said the process seemed, “weirdly rushed,” is telling. What was the rush? That doesn’t seem to have been addressed. There was no need for Karen Pierce to have been replaced so soon.

He’s running out of people to sack. I doubt he can turn public opinion around and the problem for Labour MPs is the clock is ticking. The less time Starmer’s successor has to try and get people back on side, it’ll become a Herculean task.

So you think he is bare-faced lying to Parliament and the public. I think that’s a stretch.

I find it surprising that you’ve posted this op before you’ve listened to parliament and the statement and questions today. Personally I find it helpful to listen to all the information before commenting with certain conclusions.

I 100% believe he is barefaced lying to the Parliament.

I absolutely to my very core believe that.

Totally agree, I think we've got really knee jerk as a nation in terms of "GET RID!" because of recent tumultuous times. I didn't vote for him either and he wouldn't be my choice, but being misinformed isn't the same as intentionally breaking the law or crashing the economy is it?

I guess a bit easy for me to say as I'm in Wales and a sea change is coming and if it's a turquoise sea I need to either look into emigration options or stand myself!

One of the main reasons why noone gave a shit is because it's completely untrue that he failed the vetting process - you've just made that up!

What's emerged recently is that Theresa May had concerns about him - but they were proven to be wrong because ... he passed the vetting process.

And how do you LITERALLY know that? Were you there to hear the conversation?

Well if he had and that could be proved he would admit it and apologise and that in Parliamentary terms would be the end of the matter. As he hasn’t we must assume he either knows he hasn’t or knows it can’t be proved.

Starmer is a bumbling fool. I don’t believe a word he is saying.

He is not going to call an early election. And frankly, it would be disastrous if he did.

Whether or not he will be able to survive as PM after this whole debacle is a different question. I'm not convinced that having yet another PM is actually likely to be of any benefit to our country, and then of course there is the thorny question of who would actually replace him anyway. But I think the momentum against him has just built up too much now, his opponents smell blood and he probably won't be able to hold on for much longer.

Which party? Loony left or loony right?

Yep, let's get back to the halcyon days of a Tory government with even more sleaze above the carpet than actually under it (including god knows how many sexual assaults) and the biggest turn over of PM's in history. The Daily Mail thinks Starmer should go, so that should be good enough reason for us all to agree. Shouldn't it?

@ProudAmberTurtle If Boris Johnson passed the vetting process, it goes to show it's not worth the paper it's written on.

Well you seem to have done just that by deciding there should by a GE!

Anyway, it is all academic. There won't be a GE unless Starmer or the next Labour leader decides there should be one.

I'm not sure that's strictly true,

For example, I thought the polls showed overwhelmingly that the public supported his decision not to go to war with the US against Iran. Despite Kemi and co all saying we should have done - a stance they have since backed down on.